Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) / Fortune & Glory #3

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In the dying embers of human existence, as the asteroid, a

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behemoth the size of Texas, hurtles relentlessly toward Earth, the world

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braces for an apocalypse again.

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Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge plunges into the bowels of the Earth.

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Here, the chosen gather, their purpose clear, to preserve the

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very soul of our civilization.

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The 35 the magic, the emotion, and the dreams of generations past.

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These masterpieces, each frame a testament to the human spirit, are

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carefully cataloged and cradled in the cavernous confines of the bunker.

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Perhaps there was room for more.

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For friends and family yearning for salvation, but sacrifices must be made.

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The Movie Nerds stand united.

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The Keepers of a Flame.

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Promising a future where the art of storytelling endures, transcending

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the boundaries of time and space.

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God help us all.

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Brianna Budworth and Sam Cole.

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Hello.

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It's a pleasure to be here.

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My, my heart is filled with mirth because I just got a new triple A

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card in the mail, which will help my vehicle for a year to come, baby.

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Anyway, off topic, but happy days.

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You are living the life there, Sam.

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Living

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the life over here.

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Sam and Bea I was talking with someone who Who listens to our show,

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but didn't realize that what we do here is more than just, we rev, review

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films, they seem to just listen and then tap out after our main review.

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And so they're not listening to the whole thing.

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There are literally, thousands of podcasts out there where you can just

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listen to opinions about these movies, but it's always been our intention to

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not just give our thoughts on movies.

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that we feature each week, but to deliver an entertaining piece of content with

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It's really not that much money a year.

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It's worth it.

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It's true.

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Yeah.

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Anyways, a few weeks ago, we did a fun game where we did our IMDB

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game, which was a lot of fun.

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So what I'm basically saying, stick around for the entire episode because it's chock

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full of surprises each and every week.

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So what I'm going to start doing.

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Is giving our listeners like a table of contents every week.

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I'm not going to do a long, elaborate intro like I'm doing right now every

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week, but so on today's episode, we're going to have a discussion of the film

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we're reviewing, make our important decisions on whether it deserves to

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be saved into the precious confines of a shelter or eliminated into the

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vast wasteland of the pocket fallout.

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Then something I think we on the podcast are going to have a lot

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of fun with our listeners at home.

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And they'll enjoy, and that's going to be a Harrison Ford movie draft.

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We did this last year, one time with a 1984 movie draft.

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I think we have a lot of fun doing this.

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We'd love to know the listeners at home, who you think got the

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best draft of the three of us.

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And then if time permits, we're going to try to do maybe a weekly highlight where

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each of us will share maybe something from the last week that we watched or viewed

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related to movies or not, it's always fun.

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Depends on what we're in the mood for, but that's what is going

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to be on the show this week.

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But before we get to that, I have a question for my co host.

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It's a pretty simple one.

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Required some math, but I don't think you're really going to go to math here.

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Oh boy.

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It's important.

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This has some big stakes.

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Are you ready?

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I'm

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scared.

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Okay.

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How many?

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Reese's Pieces, could you fill the Holy Grail from this movie, this

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particular grail that was inside of the temple of the sun, of course it's

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intended purpose, and we all know that Jesus demanded no green M& Ms or

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the, some PA's head was going to roll.

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There's.

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There's actually no real answer to this.

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However, I did do a lot of research on this and it's estimate, and this

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is important information so you can make your best guess and the person

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who has the most accurate guess to this number is going to go first.

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First or last, I'm going to go first because only I would

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think of such a ridiculous game with so much lunacy involved.

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So I will go first in a review, but that's how we're going to determine the order.

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So whoever gets closest will go last and so forth.

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But anyways, this is the information you need to know.

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I, it's estimated on the internet.

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And by the way, I used six different.

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AI chat bots to figure out this information.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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There are eight ounces of liquid that can fill the

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Holy Grail from this movie.

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And the average size of a Reese's Pieces is 0.

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7 cubic centimeters.

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So knowing that information, how many do you guess will fill that Holy Grail?

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Okay.

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You're saying Reese's Pieces, not Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

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No, Reese's

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Pieces.

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You mean like the little

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B, there's a

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Steven Spielberg tie in here.

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Reese's peanut butter cups would be like four of them.

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Yeah, okay.

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I'm just checking.

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No,

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I know, I'm just, yeah, I hear you.

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Okay.

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Fuck, I don't

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know.

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I don't know.

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103.

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I'm going to say,

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so I'm seeing the cup and I'm seeing Douglas Holmes cinematography and

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hearing Spielberg's voice, all right, I'm pushing for the dolly shot rah.

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Um, um, I would say.

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Well,

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you're both pretty far off the actual number that's estimated from

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six different AI chat bot things that I averaged out is 467 based on you're

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trying to let the robots take my job.

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This

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is how I spent my Sunday doing this.

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You're

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making me hungry though.

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I went again, my instinct was to go higher and there's a scene at the

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beginning of Willow when Warwick Davis like doesn't trust his instinct and the

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wizard is you should trust your instinct.

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So I just can't wait

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for the day that you and I get high together and watch Willow

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because I know we're both fans, but it comes out at the weirdest time.

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Oh God.

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Yeah.

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I look forward to that as well.

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Yeah, it's gonna be good.

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Oh because Sam, you were still the closest.

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You are going to go third Sam, Ah, Bea, you're second and I have to go first.

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That's my punishment.

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I'm third for the three quo.

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Er, back to the frame rate with a joke saw coming all day.

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Oh my god.

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Okay.

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If you hadn't already guessed the film that we are

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reviewing this week is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade from 1989.

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Steven Spielberg, third film in the trilogy, third film in our quest for

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fortune and glory in this retrospective.

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Can't wait to talk about this with each of you.

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Be the first time you've seen this movie.

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First time you've seen any of these Films in the Indiana Jones franchise.

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If anybody's tuning in for the first time, but I let's start with a plot synopsis.

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Let's pull this up here.

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It is.

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All right.

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And here it is.

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The intrepid explorer, Indiana Jones sets out to rescue his father, a medievalist

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who has vanished while searching for the Holy grail, following clues.

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In the old man's notebook, Indy arrives in Venice, where he enlists the help of a

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beautiful academic, but they are not the only ones on the trail, and some sinister

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old enemies soon come out of the woodwork.

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A trailer

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somewhere.

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Hold on.

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I'll do the trail.

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Dun.

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Junior.

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Dun.

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Yes, sir.

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It is you, Junior.

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Dun.

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All right.

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Here's the trail.

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That's great.

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We're about to

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complete a great quest.

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The Holy Grail.

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Dr.

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Jones, that's

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This

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is it.

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Look, the shield is the second marker.

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We found it.

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Indiana Jones is on the quest of a lifetime.

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But for some adventures, One Jones is not enough.

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Dad?

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Junior?

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Don't call me that, please.

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Follow me!

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I know the

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way!

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Race across three continents.

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And in this sort of race, There's no silver medal for finishing second.

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Hang on, Dad!

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Of the enemy, Nazis.

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I hate these guys.

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Ahhhhh!

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Our situation has not improved.

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In his search for the holy grail.

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How dare you kiss me.

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Are

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you crazy?!

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Don't go between them!

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Go between them!

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Are you

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crazy?!

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Okay.

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That's a piece of the trailer from The Last Crusade.

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Sam, hand it over to you.

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Do you have some movie facts for us?

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Indeed.

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Going right to the tonality of this movie this film is Spielberg's

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and Lucas's answer and rebuke to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

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They go back to a lighter More open aired, much more akin to

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Raiders feel with this movie.

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This film is obviously directed by Spielberg, Steven Spielberg from a

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screenplay by Jeffrey Boehm, who I believe wrote some lethal weapon films.

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Two and three, two and three.

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Interesting.

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And he

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did some other, he did inner space, the lost boys and the dead zone.

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So he had a really good track record.

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Oh, the lost

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boys.

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Awesome.

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I do the lethal weapon two better than three, but that's a side point, but

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story by George Lucas and Menno Mayhays.

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And this is based on characters by George Lucas and Philip Coffin produced

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by Robert Watts which I was actually really happy about because he, I feel

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like he was an associate producer.

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On a previous installment.

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And so I was it was, and I've watched behind the scenes all the time and

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I just enjoy his general energy.

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So I'm happy to see Robert Watts is like the producer of this movie.

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It's just he's

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a fun interview always.

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Yeah, he's good.

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He's ah, they wouldn't let us shoot that blur, starring Harrison

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Ford, Denholm Elliott Alison Doody, John Rhys Davies Julian Glover as

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the main villain, and of course, Sean Connery plays Harrison Ford's father.

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Fun fact, Sean Connery was only 12 years older than Harrison Ford and so for him

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to play his father Yeah, but Harrison

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Ford is so hot.

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They did a good job making their appear more of an age gap there.

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Returning cinematographer Douglas Slacombe, who did the previous

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to Indiana Jones, also the third one as well, of course, edited

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by Spielberg's main collaborator, Michael Kahn music by John Williams.

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And this was a big success.

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The budget was 48 million.

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474 million worldwide.

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According to this, I, it says it's the biggest film worldwide of 1989.

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I thought that was Batman, but I guess, I don't know if it's

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Batman came in number two.

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Oh, really?

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Wow.

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That's amazing.

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So yeah, including worldwide gross.

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And I always thought it was Batman.

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That's impressive.

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So yeah, more lighthearted than the first this.

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Had this they really went globetrotting this film.

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They went to Italy all the desert scenes were shot in Spain Where

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they did the scene with a tank?

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They went to Petra in Jordan, which is the like the what's it called?

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The Temple of the Sun is it?

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That's

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what they call it in the movie and the movie.

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Yeah I'm

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blanking what the actual called and it's in the, I'm

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blanking now, but I'm sorry.

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And just random thing here but the two temple of doom writers, Willard

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Huck and Gloria Katz, who collaborated with Lucas on American graffiti.

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They chose not to return due to both having other commitments

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and feeling satisfied with their work in the second film.

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Other commitment was Howard, the duck.

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Oh my god, I did not know that.

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Wow.

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Wow, what a quack.

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You gotta get your priorities straight, you know what I gotta say.

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Which I feel the difference in the writing and I actually like Jeffrey

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Boehm's script and just, I can feel the tonality difference to what I'm saying.

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He, Spielberg this is actually, it was fascinating.

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Due to Spielberg's commitment to this film, he had to drop out of

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directing Big and Rain Man, both films, which he was interested in.

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I'm, Rain Man by Barry Levinson, I really like.

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I, it would have been a totally different, Steven Spielberg had directed that.

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It might have been great, I can't even imagine, but the film that was not to be.

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Interestingly enough, Lucas had initially wanted to do a Haunted House movie.

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And Spielberg was not huge on the idea.

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But they do incorporate that into the castle in the film which is on the border

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of Germany and and Austria and Austria.

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Yeah.

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And so they do have sort of sequences.

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It's not literally a haunted house, but that's the closest to haunted.

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They get Lucas was the one that was pushing the idea for the grail.

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And Steven Spielberg was concerned about that it would come across

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too close to Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and that it would be

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associated with too much silliness.

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It was Spielberg that pushed the idea that the search for the Grail

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is the search for the Father.

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Spielberg loves this movie because of the father son relationship

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and the humor and the tone.

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And he said before in interviews that it's his favorite Raiders film.

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He refers to all the Indiana Jones movies as Raiders films,

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because obviously the first one.

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So he likes it a lot.

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Temple of Doom is actually his least favorite.

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And that's what I've got at the moment.

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I'm sure I'm missing, I feel a little unprepared tonight.

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I was cooking chicken and I burnt it, so otherwise I would have had,

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what, 20 more minutes of prep.

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No,

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that's very good facts you dropped on that, so thank you.

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Bea, were you going to say something?

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Oh, he said, just Steven Spielberg, it was Temple of

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Doom was his least favorite.

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It was his

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least favorite, yeah.

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I just, upfront, I just want to say that it's so wonderful that

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there's the continuity with these three movies with, director, producer,

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cinematographer, composer, editor.

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And of course, you can feel that you really do feel that,

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especially in this third movie Yeah.

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Get my Asperger's out.

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Fuck, fuck, shit.

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No, just kidding.

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Yeah but as I was saying, yeah, you really, as Bea, you also

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mentioned, you feel the continuity of the cast and crew, both sides of this

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camera, you really feel it in this film.

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A few things I just wanted to mention here.

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You mentioned the budget of 48 million in 2024 dollars, that would

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be about 121 million if shot today.

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Wow.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the 474 million box office.

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This was released on May 24th, 1989, almost five years to

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the day after temple of doom.

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That was on May 23rd, if memory serves.

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So that I think it's also Memorial.

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These traditionally come out Memorial day weekend.

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Do anyone remember what?

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Raiders was, I don't remember offhand of that.

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I feel like Raiders opened later in June was the one outlier.

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I feel like it was

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a summer movie.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Firmly summer.

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I was also looking at the box office.

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I'll do this really quick.

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And people that, audience.

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Let us know if this box office rundown is dragging or not.

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But I love looking at this because I think it gives context.

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What was going on in the box office that weekend in Memorial Day is

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always a fascinating weekend for me.

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But Indiana Jones debuted at number one, 37 million, see no evil, hear no evil.

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And it was third week, 6.

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3 million.

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Anybody remember?

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That's a

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fun movie.

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Is that the Gene Crowley?

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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It's a great one.

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Feel the dreams in a sixth week of release 5.

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6 million.

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I love feel the dreams.

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Yeah.

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Again, rest in peace, James Earl Jones, his role in roadhouse

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number two, what a great

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week.

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Yeah.

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Number five, a movie I saw in the theater probably a week

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after this was pink Cadillac Clint Eastwood movie was in this as well, 4.

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4 million.

Nathan: 00:17:44

Number six was canine with 3.

Nathan: 00:17:47

1 million.

Nathan: 00:17:48

I think that's the James Belushi police dog movie.

Sam: 00:17:52

That's right.

Sam: 00:17:52

And Turner and Hooch with Tom Hanks came out later that summer.

Nathan: 00:17:55

Yes, exactly.

Nathan: 00:17:57

This made the box office top 10.

Nathan: 00:17:59

Okay.

Nathan: 00:17:59

Yep.

Nathan: 00:18:00

And in his fifth week of release in seven number seven in a

Nathan: 00:18:03

sixth week of release, making 2.

Nathan: 00:18:06

5 million was pet cemetery number eight in its eighth week of release.

Nathan: 00:18:11

1.

Nathan: 00:18:11

4 million was major league movie.

Nathan: 00:18:13

I saw twice in the theater.

Nathan: 00:18:15

I loved it so much because I love baseball movies, two baseball movies

Nathan: 00:18:18

in the top 10 this week and dogs rain, man, that number nine this week.

Nathan: 00:18:25

1.

Nathan: 00:18:25

2 million in its 24th week of release and number 10, a movie.

Nathan: 00:18:30

I don't remember at all.

Nathan: 00:18:31

Scandal just made under a million dollars.

Nathan: 00:18:34

I don't know.

Nathan: 00:18:35

I'm sure

Sam: 00:18:35

that

Nathan: 00:18:35

is

Bee: 00:18:36

what's crazy is that outside of.

Bee: 00:18:39

The second baseball movie and scandal.

Bee: 00:18:42

I have seen everything except the last crusade

Bee: 00:18:48

until this week

Nathan: 00:18:51

at the 62nd Academy Awards.

Nathan: 00:18:53

This was nominated for best score, best sound mixing, but in one best

Nathan: 00:19:00

sound editing, they liked the sound.

Sam: 00:19:03

And by the way, totally random comment.

Sam: 00:19:05

This is just me.

Sam: 00:19:06

I'm like obsessed with the clock, but this last crusade is like,

Sam: 00:19:12

Between seven and eight minutes longer than its two predecessors.

Sam: 00:19:15

Yeah.

Sam: 00:19:16

Raiders is hour 51, Temple of Doom is hour 53 and Without credits.

Sam: 00:19:22

Last Crusade is two hours and one minute.

Sam: 00:19:24

I go, I'm just, I'm obsessive with, I'm fascinated by time.

Sam: 00:19:28

But so Raiders, if you really like Indiana Jones movies, there's more of

Sam: 00:19:32

Last Crusade, about eight minutes more.

Sam: 00:19:36

I

Bee: 00:19:36

think you can feel it.

Sam: 00:19:38

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:19:39

So I think we get now to our thoughts on this film.

Nathan: 00:19:45

I guess I'm going to take it away.

Bee: 00:19:47

Nathan.

Bee: 00:19:47

All

Nathan: 00:19:47

right.

Nathan: 00:19:48

I will take it away.

Nathan: 00:19:50

Okay you know something?

Nathan: 00:19:52

I'm gonna say something I thought would never come out of my mouth.

Bee: 00:19:57

Is this your

Nathan: 00:19:58

favorite?

Nathan: 00:19:59

And it's not really a hot take, but typically for people of my

Nathan: 00:20:03

generation, this may be blasphemy.

Nathan: 00:20:06

I think Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Is the

Nathan: 00:20:09

best film in this franchise.

Nathan: 00:20:13

Yeah, I've heard that a lot from people.

Nathan: 00:20:15

And after watching his first three movies my entire life, it

Nathan: 00:20:19

doesn't mean that it's my favorite.

Nathan: 00:20:21

It's teetering, but I think this is by far the most put

Nathan: 00:20:26

together film in the franchise.

Nathan: 00:20:29

Actually still, it might be my favorite, but I think it may, maybe that I'm

Nathan: 00:20:35

looking at this with, shall we say, there's some personal baggage as well,

Nathan: 00:20:43

as I watch these first day films.

Nathan: 00:20:45

I think it's obvious we're going back to the Raiders of the Lost Ark

Nathan: 00:20:48

of it all, and it has all the feels.

Nathan: 00:20:51

Of great action and location set pieces that Raiders had.

Nathan: 00:20:56

It's got that mystery.

Nathan: 00:20:57

It's got great villains, but also crusade gives us, I think, a version

Nathan: 00:21:04

of Indie we've never seen before.

Nathan: 00:21:07

And it does this in a couple of ways, two ways, basically.

Nathan: 00:21:10

And first, we got that great.

Nathan: 00:21:12

Prologue.

Nathan: 00:21:12

I think it's great.

Nathan: 00:21:13

Some people don't like it.

Nathan: 00:21:14

They find it fan service y, but I still think it's a wonderful opening.

Nathan: 00:21:19

And it does this with an, but also does this with incredible father

Nathan: 00:21:23

son storyline, which makes Indy more than just an action hero.

Nathan: 00:21:28

It transforms him into a character with real emotions.

Nathan: 00:21:33

In Paraders and in Temple of Doom, he is, I feel like he's strictly an action

Nathan: 00:21:39

hero and he's Given so much more to feel in this movie, the father son storyline

Nathan: 00:21:47

gives Indy emotional vulnerability, making him more than a archetypal action hero.

Nathan: 00:21:54

It turns them into someone that we can all relate to someone dealing with

Nathan: 00:21:57

unresolved family issues, longing for validation and ultimately finding peace.

Nathan: 00:22:05

And in that relationship rather than the treasures that he's seeking and to keep,

Nathan: 00:22:12

to keep the short I love all the course correction that Spielberg and his team are

Nathan: 00:22:17

doing with this film after temple of doom.

Nathan: 00:22:19

The comedy in this film is great.

Nathan: 00:22:21

Connery and Ford's chemistry is amazing and surprising because on paper.

Nathan: 00:22:27

This shouldn't work.

Nathan: 00:22:28

Neither of Con neither Connery and Ford are known for their

Nathan: 00:22:33

comedic chops and their timing, but somehow, It's amazing how

Sam: 00:22:37

good they just, their dynamic, like, how the f I'm like, when

Sam: 00:22:41

you see it, it's my god, these guys really are great actors.

Sam: 00:22:44

They come off as

Nathan: 00:22:45

Like a comedy team that could go on the road.

Nathan: 00:22:48

They're that good.

Nathan: 00:22:50

I, you would never think of these guys as non comedic actors.

Nathan: 00:22:54

This is the funniest Harrison Ford movie ever by a long stretch.

Nathan: 00:22:59

And this is not really a straight forward.

Nathan: 00:23:01

Actually it is a comedy.

Nathan: 00:23:02

It's an action comedy.

Nathan: 00:23:03

It really is.

Nathan: 00:23:04

But he's never been this funny.

Nathan: 00:23:05

He's never had this great comedic time.

Nathan: 00:23:08

The, comedic timing.

Nathan: 00:23:10

I have a lot more to say about this, but also the, I'm happy they shifted away

Nathan: 00:23:14

from slapstick humor and more toward site gags in general, funny banter.

Nathan: 00:23:20

I think was the right choice.

Nathan: 00:23:22

There are a few nitpicks I have in this movie, but.

Nathan: 00:23:25

It's just a stellar entry in this franchise, in this movie, more than

Nathan: 00:23:30

ever, I think from where I am in life, means the world to me, and I will talk

Nathan: 00:23:35

more about why that is in a little bit.

Nathan: 00:23:37

This is a five star movie.

Bee: 00:23:41

I love it.

Bee: 00:23:43

Yeah, we're so back.

Bee: 00:23:46

Yes, I.

Bee: 00:23:48

Loved this movie.

Bee: 00:23:50

I thought I was just so happy watching it the whole time I was screening ear to ear.

Bee: 00:23:54

I think you're right.

Bee: 00:23:55

It is an adventure comedy, an action comedy.

Bee: 00:23:58

I think this is a wonderful, delightful, and whimsical blend of camp, And

Bee: 00:24:06

action that we don't get to see a lot and it nearly crosses the line

Bee: 00:24:12

into being too much a few times and there's it perfectly reigns itself back

Bee: 00:24:18

and I think it just toes that line.

Bee: 00:24:20

The entire time we're back with amazing set pieces.

Bee: 00:24:24

I loved that intro.

Bee: 00:24:27

With the circus and the railroad cars, a bittersweet reveal for

Bee: 00:24:31

me with it being river Phoenix.

Bee: 00:24:33

I didn't know.

Bee: 00:24:34

Yeah.

Bee: 00:24:34

I was like, Oh my God.

Bee: 00:24:36

And, but over and over this movie sets up Indy, the idea of India, someone who

Bee: 00:24:43

might not always be a good guy, but who's always doing it for the right reasons.

Bee: 00:24:48

And we see that.

Bee: 00:24:49

I think the prologue sets that up really beautifully.

Bee: 00:24:53

It's a great sequence.

Bee: 00:24:54

It's really fun.

Bee: 00:24:56

It's action packed and also right away you see the score is going to

Bee: 00:25:00

be for me the best of the three.

Bee: 00:25:02

I had a wonderful time listening to the John Williams score.

Bee: 00:25:08

It felt like we were moving again.

Bee: 00:25:11

My big issue with Temple of Doom is you take this great action adventure

Bee: 00:25:14

hero and you put him in a haunted house and it felt claustrophobic and it

Bee: 00:25:19

felt like it dragged on for too long.

Bee: 00:25:22

Great to be out in the wild again, sprawling and traveling and seeing Indy

Bee: 00:25:28

challenged in element after element, not just tortured in a haunted house.

Bee: 00:25:32

That was really fun.

Bee: 00:25:33

And the casting is spot on.

Bee: 00:25:35

Like you mentioned, Nathan, there's she talks in her sleep, might

Bee: 00:25:38

be one of the best line reads.

Bee: 00:25:40

I It was so much fun.

Bee: 00:25:44

Sean Connery turns the everyman that Willie was in the last movie on its head.

Bee: 00:25:50

He's not helpless.

Bee: 00:25:51

He, in fact, is the helper.

Bee: 00:25:53

And he gets Indy where he needs to be in the end.

Bee: 00:25:56

I think Elsa's a great turncoat.

Bee: 00:25:58

That is, I love that every time in this movie when there's a love

Bee: 00:26:01

interest, we get a totally different dimension and type of woman.

Bee: 00:26:05

That's just a treat for me.

Bee: 00:26:06

We get to see John Rhys Davis again, that's incredible.

Bee: 00:26:11

Sorry, I feel like I'm taking forever on this one.

Bee: 00:26:12

I just, I love, I loved this movie and I like, The connection that Spielberg and

Bee: 00:26:21

Lucas are drawing with the with the Holy Grail and that sort of search for purity

Bee: 00:26:27

in intention that becomes, that later you can backfill to Temple and to Raiders.

Bee: 00:26:34

For me, it's a four and a half.

Bee: 00:26:35

I think Raiders hit the five star mark for me, but I thought this was wonderful.

Nathan: 00:26:41

All right.

Nathan: 00:26:41

Thank you.

Nathan: 00:26:41

Great.

Nathan: 00:26:42

Sam.

Sam: 00:26:43

I agree with everything you guys said.

Sam: 00:26:45

I love the movie.

Sam: 00:26:46

Few interesting things.

Sam: 00:26:47

When they did a first cut of the film Spielberg felt, That there wasn't enough

Sam: 00:26:52

action or he felt not, or what he said was he felt that we weren't giving them

Sam: 00:26:57

as much action as the audience expected.

Sam: 00:26:59

So that motorcycle chase right after they get out of the castle, that motorcycle

Sam: 00:27:03

chase was done after the fact in Marin County, California, right near Lucas

Sam: 00:27:09

Valley ranch, and it's excellent.

Sam: 00:27:12

And it's perfect that chase happened there.

Sam: 00:27:15

Cause I think what originally would have happened is that you just see that get gag

Sam: 00:27:18

where the Nazis are going into the boat and they like zoom by in the motorcycle

Sam: 00:27:23

and knock those two guys into the water.

Sam: 00:27:24

I think that was the original cut.

Sam: 00:27:26

And I'm so glad they added a chase there.

Sam: 00:27:28

I love the movie a lot.

Sam: 00:27:29

I, it is really.

Sam: 00:27:32

If you go online and look at debates, if they're like ranking Indiana

Sam: 00:27:36

Jones films, Last Crusade and Raiders are always neck and they're both so

Sam: 00:27:42

good that it's really hard to say one is much better than the other.

Sam: 00:27:46

If for me personally, I think just because Raiders was the first and it introduced

Sam: 00:27:51

this type of like modern action adventure, Raiders to me has the slightest edge.

Sam: 00:27:58

But I love Sean Conner in this movie.

Sam: 00:27:59

I love the character like their relationship.

Sam: 00:28:02

They seem not only is there, is it comedic, but they seem like.

Sam: 00:28:06

A real father and son.

Sam: 00:28:07

And I like how annoyed like Harrison gets at his dad and he's come on, dad, come on.

Sam: 00:28:12

It's just so realistic.

Sam: 00:28:14

And I appreciate that a lot more now.

Sam: 00:28:15

This was the first Indiana Jones I saw in the theater.

Sam: 00:28:18

It was like the last day of first grade.

Sam: 00:28:20

I was like eight years old.

Sam: 00:28:21

So I went to see it with my dad and like a matinee show.

Sam: 00:28:24

Just amazing.

Sam: 00:28:25

Obviously as an eight year old, I'm not going to get a joke about Get,

Sam: 00:28:29

understand the joke of Andy and his father sleeping with the same woman.

Sam: 00:28:32

That's something, figured out later on.

Sam: 00:28:34

And but like the visuals, the genius of Spielberg is like, love that movie

Sam: 00:28:41

as a little kid, and obviously I couldn't pick up on everything I picked

Sam: 00:28:45

up on now, but I could pick up on the visuals and the movement of the story.

Sam: 00:28:49

And it was just wildly entertaining.

Sam: 00:28:51

There's so much

Nathan: 00:28:52

momentum in this movie.

Sam: 00:28:53

There's so much momentum.

Sam: 00:28:54

They're moving.

Sam: 00:28:55

I think I to me, I feel like this is more of a bit more of a chase film where like

Sam: 00:29:02

Raiders, I like how Raiders spends a lot more of its time at the Tannis dig site.

Sam: 00:29:07

Like I like that mid section.

Sam: 00:29:10

This movie is more like, like globetrotting adventure.

Sam: 00:29:13

I love it.

Sam: 00:29:14

I would say if I was being nit pieces, I don't.

Sam: 00:29:16

Some of the set pieces I like better than others.

Sam: 00:29:18

For some reason it's clever and I like the thing with the boat propeller, but

Sam: 00:29:22

the boat chase in Venice, I've always thought that's good, but it doesn't

Sam: 00:29:28

for it for some, for other set pieces.

Sam: 00:29:31

I put that, that more lower on the bar.

Sam: 00:29:33

But what makes the movie and what elevates it and what this movie

Sam: 00:29:38

needs is a an incredible set piece.

Sam: 00:29:41

And I think the tank.

Sam: 00:29:44

Rivals, the truck chase in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Sam: 00:29:48

They're both about eight and a half minutes long.

Sam: 00:29:50

All the stuff that happens on the tank, all the, that's amazing.

Sam: 00:29:54

Them escaping the fireplace with the revolving door is amazing.

Sam: 00:29:57

So when the set pieces are at their best, they're incredible in this film.

Sam: 00:30:01

I think everything looks good.

Sam: 00:30:02

Like the catacombs under Venice.

Sam: 00:30:03

I just the, this movie has a very.

Sam: 00:30:06

epic feel because they're like literally going after the holy grail and it's

Sam: 00:30:10

like dangerous and far away in a canyon in the desert and i love the climax

Sam: 00:30:16

when they're in that place and they have those three challenges i mean i

Sam: 00:30:20

think the breath of god the word of god the path of god My favorite is when

Sam: 00:30:24

Indy literally has to jump into that impossible chasm on a leap of faith.

Sam: 00:30:29

And I was

Bee: 00:30:31

on the edge of my seat.

Bee: 00:30:33

That was so well done.

Bee: 00:30:35

I was so tricked by

Sam: 00:30:37

no, it was incredible.

Sam: 00:30:38

And but the stakes are so high at the end of that movie.

Sam: 00:30:41

It's like his, he is just rekindled with his father and

Sam: 00:30:44

his father's life is on the line.

Sam: 00:30:46

He has no choice.

Nathan: 00:30:47

That's what's great about it.

Nathan: 00:30:48

You've added the ticking clock element into this.

Nathan: 00:30:51

It's not about Indy getting the holy grail.

Nathan: 00:30:53

There's major stakes to this because of that, the urgency now, it's a

Nathan: 00:30:58

brilliant, it's a brilliant move, major

Sam: 00:31:01

stakes, incredible.

Sam: 00:31:01

And this is a piece of set design.

Sam: 00:31:03

I have always been obsessed with like cliffs and

Nathan: 00:31:06

not just like world saving stakes, it's personal stakes, personal

Sam: 00:31:10

stakes.

Sam: 00:31:10

Yeah.

Sam: 00:31:10

It's like character driven stakes.

Sam: 00:31:12

Yeah.

Sam: 00:31:12

I think.

Sam: 00:31:13

I don't know why I'm obsessed with it, but that cliff that Indy has to

Sam: 00:31:16

do the leap of faith on, the shot where he comes out and you're looking

Sam: 00:31:19

down at the blackness of that cliff, that place was epically terrifying.

Sam: 00:31:24

That temple and those challenges has the most supernatural,

Sam: 00:31:29

spiritual, otherworldly depth.

Sam: 00:31:31

dangerous feel to it in these, in just that places in my, I love the night.

Sam: 00:31:35

I love the humor.

Sam: 00:31:36

I liked the Sean Connery gets to meet the night because his academic

Sam: 00:31:40

quest is fulfilled and he, they can't cross the seal, but he waves him.

Sam: 00:31:44

The ending is just perfect.

Sam: 00:31:46

It's epic.

Sam: 00:31:47

I would give it four and a half.

Sam: 00:31:49

I just, because Raiders has that edge, but like I can arguably see

Sam: 00:31:53

this as a better movie than Raiders.

Sam: 00:31:55

That's why it's a challenge for me because I just, for me,

Sam: 00:31:58

it's just Raiders being first.

Sam: 00:31:59

But to your point, Nathan, one thing I think Spielberg or the cinematographer

Sam: 00:32:03

said in this film, because of its personal character driven nature,

Sam: 00:32:07

there are a lot more closeups of Indiana Jones, like extreme closeups

Sam: 00:32:12

on his face and his father face.

Sam: 00:32:14

He's not in as many closeups in the first two films.

Sam: 00:32:17

There'll be closeup shots, but it's more like wide or him talking to

Sam: 00:32:20

people in last crusade is a very, is the most personal of the three.

Sam: 00:32:25

And I can honestly see why Spielberg at that time wanted to end it there.

Sam: 00:32:29

Cause it's like the perfect trilogy ender.

Sam: 00:32:31

It's just perfect.

Sam: 00:32:32

It is, it

Bee: 00:32:34

sticks the landing more than the other two.

Sam: 00:32:37

It really, they literally ride off into the sunset in the last shot.

Sam: 00:32:40

How perfect is that?

Sam: 00:32:41

They're riding into the sunset.

Sam: 00:32:43

That's the shot.

Sam: 00:32:43

They actually ride toward it.

Sam: 00:32:45

It's And it also gets

Bee: 00:32:46

your comeuppance, which I really liked.

Sam: 00:32:47

Exactly.

Sam: 00:32:48

Yeah.

Sam: 00:32:49

I love the ground splitting apart there with all the I remember being a little

Sam: 00:32:54

depressed after I saw the movie when I was a kid because I was so blown

Sam: 00:32:56

away by Indiana Jones's adventures.

Sam: 00:32:58

I was like, Dad, I want to go on adventures.

Sam: 00:33:00

Like, how do I get to do that?

Sam: 00:33:01

And he was like it's a movie, but yeah.

Sam: 00:33:02

Yeah.

Sam: 00:33:03

Yeah.

Sam: 00:33:03

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:33:03

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:33:04

There's a point I, I was thinking about as I'm watching this, that it

Nathan: 00:33:08

stuck to my ribs as I, I couldn't shake there is a divine force that

Nathan: 00:33:14

seems to be watching over Indy.

Nathan: 00:33:16

And I love that the film is acknowledging that in this moment.

Nathan: 00:33:20

In, in, in this version, in, in this film here because Indie this film is in, on

Nathan: 00:33:26

the joke through the first two movies.

Nathan: 00:33:29

No matter what shenanigans befall him, he's going to be okay.

Nathan: 00:33:34

And it's not just that this movie's acknowledging that there's a

Nathan: 00:33:37

mystical presence or maybe it's a guardian angel that is with him.

Nathan: 00:33:42

And it's going to throw back his hat at the end of the scene as well.

Nathan: 00:33:46

And this movie is in, is finally in on the joke.

Nathan: 00:33:48

It knows who the audience is and what it is.

Nathan: 00:33:52

And it's for the first time, I feel like it's really comfortable

Nathan: 00:33:55

in its shoes and it knows how to.

Nathan: 00:33:58

Write the perfect movie that is addressing that because I, and I

Nathan: 00:34:03

love how it's embracing kind of the ridiculousness in a lot of ways that

Nathan: 00:34:07

this guy's gonna be okay no matter what.

Nathan: 00:34:09

He's not gonna fall off a cliff and the hat's gonna blow right into his hand.

Nathan: 00:34:13

He's gonna fall, jump into the water, and his hat's gonna float right over to him.

Nathan: 00:34:17

And we, I love when this

Sam: 00:34:18

hat just blows back in the ciid

Nathan: 00:34:20

and we think nothing of it because that's just.

Nathan: 00:34:24

He is just always going to have that kind of luck or a guardian angel

Nathan: 00:34:27

or something or God or whatever.

Bee: 00:34:31

He's a very like faith based filmmaker.

Bee: 00:34:33

And I think he does a great job in this blending the ridiculousness.

Bee: 00:34:38

That is faith sometimes,

Sam: 00:34:41

but, and you talk about the humor or like his faith or Indiana Jones always

Sam: 00:34:45

had, like having divine interception.

Sam: 00:34:48

I love it when he like survives the tank thing and his father's happy to see him.

Sam: 00:34:53

But Denholm Elliott is like standing in the background didn't

Sam: 00:34:56

he just fall off the cliff?

Sam: 00:34:57

He's he can't, he's like, how did that he, they're

Sam: 00:34:59

acknowledging how ridiculous it is.

Nathan: 00:35:01

I will say I wasn't.

Nathan: 00:35:04

necessarily thrilled with what they did with the Denholm Elliot character in this.

Sam: 00:35:07

I feel like they turned him into a total doofus, he's

Sam: 00:35:11

not a doofus in the first one.

Sam: 00:35:13

Yeah, he's

Nathan: 00:35:13

not.

Nathan: 00:35:13

And I think the movie needed that kind of comic relief, but he really

Nathan: 00:35:18

is a bumbling buffoon in this movie.

Sam: 00:35:21

And the moment that gets a huge laugh I will, cause I saw it, my,

Sam: 00:35:25

it's not even a complaint, but I saw this movie way too many times.

Sam: 00:35:28

I love it, but I almost know it too well, but I, in the theater, what

Sam: 00:35:32

always got laughs is when it's the cameras pushing in on Indiana Jones.

Sam: 00:35:35

He's Brody, you'll never find him.

Sam: 00:35:37

He'll blend in, disappear with any luck.

Sam: 00:35:39

He's got the grail already.

Sam: 00:35:41

And then it just cuts to Marcus Brody.

Sam: 00:35:42

He's Oh, does anyone interpret it?

Sam: 00:35:44

I speak ancient Greece.

Nathan: 00:35:46

I have to say it is my, one of my favorite quotes from this movie.

Nathan: 00:35:50

I did capture that audio and I want to play it because this just speaks

Nathan: 00:35:54

to the quality of the writing and the comedy in this, which is so much

Nathan: 00:35:58

better than the Temple of Dubai.

Nathan: 00:36:00

Oh, let me play it here.

Trailer: 00:36:01

He's given them to Marcus Brody.

Sam: 00:36:03

Marks.

Sam: 00:36:04

He didn't drag poor Marcus along, did you?

Sam: 00:36:07

He's not up to the challenge.

Sam: 00:36:08

He sticks out

Trailer: 00:36:09

like a sore thumb.

Trailer: 00:36:10

We'll find him.

Trailer: 00:36:11

That hell you will.

Trailer: 00:36:13

He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs.

Trailer: 00:36:16

Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan.

Trailer: 00:36:19

He speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom.

Trailer: 00:36:22

He'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again.

Trailer: 00:36:26

With any luck, he's got the grill already.

Bee: 00:36:30

Does anyone See, I thought that was Indy bluffing, I thought he yeah.

Bee: 00:36:37

He's

Nathan: 00:36:37

totally

Bee: 00:36:37

bluffing.

Bee: 00:36:38

He knows, he's just trying to throw the

Sam: 00:36:40

Nazis off.

Sam: 00:36:41

You know what's interesting too, I feel like It's a bit

Nathan: 00:36:42

later, it's a bit later where he's talking to his dad like, yeah,

Nathan: 00:36:45

he'd get lost in his own museum.

Nathan: 00:36:46

He tells his dad that, yeah.

Nathan: 00:36:47

What's

Sam: 00:36:48

interesting with this movie Like Raiders, Spielberg himself actually

Sam: 00:36:51

seems more interested in the story as a director, so when there's like expository

Sam: 00:36:56

dialogue, when they're explaining things, there's like, when he's with Donovan at

Sam: 00:37:01

that like cocktail party, they talk about the plot and they talk about how to find

Sam: 00:37:05

the grail and it's very focused on it.

Sam: 00:37:07

In Temple of Doom, Every time there's plot forwarding moments Spielberg was

Sam: 00:37:12

always undercutting it with Oh, here's some gross out comedy or here's someone

Nathan: 00:37:16

God.

Nathan: 00:37:17

Yes.

Sam: 00:37:18

And Raiders and crusade.

Sam: 00:37:21

They actually they focus on the They let the story, they don't, when it

Sam: 00:37:26

comes to expository dialogue, they don't, the movie doesn't like try

Sam: 00:37:30

to make you not pay attention to it.

Sam: 00:37:31

It just focuses on it.

Sam: 00:37:32

And it in and of itself is interesting.

Nathan: 00:37:34

I'm so glad you brought this up, Sam, because this is something I

Nathan: 00:37:38

wanted to mention the last two movies, and I kept forgetting to do so because

Nathan: 00:37:43

in Raiders of the Lost Ark, there's a very important expository dialogue

Nathan: 00:37:46

that happens where they're talking about where the Nazis are digging.

Nathan: 00:37:49

And it's something that I.

Nathan: 00:37:51

Always never really paid attention to because at the same time it's

Nathan: 00:37:55

when Indy has the poison date and all you're doing is watching.

Nathan: 00:37:59

Is he going to eat the date?

Nathan: 00:38:00

Is he going to eat the date?

Nathan: 00:38:01

But him and Sal are talking about where they're digging.

Nathan: 00:38:05

The Nazis are digging in the wrong place in the back of the

Bee: 00:38:07

coin.

Nathan: 00:38:08

Exactly.

Nathan: 00:38:09

And I have, I had to watch it probably like 15 times to start paying

Nathan: 00:38:13

attention to that bit of dialogue.

Nathan: 00:38:15

The other thing in temple of doom There's this whole conversation about

Nathan: 00:38:19

the thuggy cult happening at the dinner that I'm not paying attention to because

Nathan: 00:38:23

I'm watching all the gross out food that's happening, but there's a lot of

Nathan: 00:38:26

information going on at that scene that no one's paying attention to in this movie.

Nathan: 00:38:33

One of my biggest complaints was that they're dumping all this expository

Nathan: 00:38:36

dialogue, and no one's paying attention to it because don't listen to this.

Nathan: 00:38:40

Look at this.

Sam: 00:38:41

I think Spielberg himself said too, that like he, he often

Sam: 00:38:46

he'll do a lot of meticulous storyboarding on action sequences.

Sam: 00:38:49

He did a lot less storyboarding with Temple of Doom.

Sam: 00:38:52

He said that he was under uncomfortable with the darker nature

Sam: 00:38:56

of the story, and he didn't quite tonally feel comfortable with it.

Sam: 00:39:00

So he said that he went out of his way.

Sam: 00:39:03

To interject as much humor as he could to lighten up the movie.

Sam: 00:39:07

And you can see those tones at odds with each other in that film.

Sam: 00:39:11

Whereas this film, the wit and the action, it's like, it feels just like

Sam: 00:39:16

everyone's on the same page this go round just, and I thought I was, I forgot.

Bee: 00:39:21

I think that speaks to the comfort.

Bee: 00:39:24

That you mentioned earlier, Nathan, there's just this, we've lived in

Bee: 00:39:28

this character's skin, everyone who's worked on this movie has followed

Bee: 00:39:32

along and grown with the character and thought about the character and

Bee: 00:39:35

they're growing in the same direction.

Bee: 00:39:38

And there's a confidence And storytelling that comes from that, I think that

Sam: 00:39:44

like tank chase, it means a lot because it's just that this movie has

Sam: 00:39:48

that desert, like a B you talked about in the first film, how everyone's

Sam: 00:39:51

like really dirty and grimy and dusty.

Sam: 00:39:53

Like

Bee: 00:39:54

the 80s were the sweatiest time to make

Sam: 00:39:56

this film goes back to that, like the dirt and the light.

Sam: 00:40:00

Desert and like vehicles kicking up dust and horses.

Sam: 00:40:03

It's got that it's back to that.

Sam: 00:40:05

That third act really helps make the movie for me because to the grandeur of it.

Sam: 00:40:11

I love everything else, but I love how big the ending gets.

Sam: 00:40:14

It's just their quest.

Sam: 00:40:15

It's huge.

Sam: 00:40:16

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:40:17

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:40:18

Man, what else?

Nathan: 00:40:19

I actually have some thoughts on the ending and you might not.

Nathan: 00:40:23

Like all my comments on it, but I don't want to jump there yet.

Nathan: 00:40:26

Cause there's a few things I think is also important to mention that,

Nathan: 00:40:28

the course correction with the lesser emphasis on blood and gore is a big thing.

Nathan: 00:40:34

It's funny that temple doom is rated PG.

Nathan: 00:40:37

This was PG 13 and there is not.

Nathan: 00:40:39

Barely a trace of blood in this movie.

Nathan: 00:40:41

I think the only blood we see might be on River Phoenix's chin

Nathan: 00:40:44

in the beginning of this movie.

Sam: 00:40:46

It might just be the anxiety that like all the decapitated

Sam: 00:40:50

heads in this movie might bring.

Sam: 00:40:51

That could be it.

Sam: 00:40:52

Like a

Nathan: 00:40:53

lot of people, perhaps.

Nathan: 00:40:55

But.

Nathan: 00:40:55

I, so there's that.

Nathan: 00:40:56

What else?

Sam: 00:40:58

I will say one nitpicky thing, and this is just I totally love

Sam: 00:41:00

this movie, but I wanted to, Nathan, you know how you'll sometimes talk

Sam: 00:41:03

about okay, so I've never noticed this ever watching it before, but

Sam: 00:41:07

when they're tied up to the chair.

Sam: 00:41:09

In the castle.

Sam: 00:41:10

Yep.

Sam: 00:41:10

And he's let's me kill them now.

Sam: 00:41:12

And then Elsa's no, they might be useful.

Sam: 00:41:14

They all leave the room.

Sam: 00:41:15

There's no guard.

Sam: 00:41:16

Like they just left them there.

Sam: 00:41:17

What's that was a little bit like, that's a little convenient.

Sam: 00:41:19

There's little

Bee: 00:41:20

plot holes like that.

Bee: 00:41:21

Like in the.

Bee: 00:41:23

Airport or like off the blimp or whatever, when they punch the guy.

Bee: 00:41:26

And then it's that's never really followed up on.

Bee: 00:41:28

There's some stuff like that.

Bee: 00:41:30

That just doesn't come all the way full circle.

Bee: 00:41:32

It doesn't distract me, but I noticed it.

Bee: 00:41:36

This was the first time I,

Nathan: 00:41:37

go ahead, Sam.

Sam: 00:41:38

Oh, no, I was gonna say, I know it's meant as like comedy, but with the

Sam: 00:41:41

first time when he like bumps into Adolf Hitler in the theater, I was terrified

Sam: 00:41:45

because I was like, Oh my God, he's going to like, take, he's going to find out

Sam: 00:41:48

who it is that he signs his autograph.

Sam: 00:41:50

And you're like, Oh, like that, that, that scene is tense.

Sam: 00:41:53

But it was funny

Nathan: 00:41:54

going back to the blimp for a moment.

Nathan: 00:41:55

This was the first time I noticed, and this was like probably looped in

Nathan: 00:42:00

dialogue in post that Indy destroyed the radio on the Zeppelin afterwards.

Nathan: 00:42:06

I never heard picked up in that.

Nathan: 00:42:08

Yes.

Nathan: 00:42:08

I noticed that too.

Nathan: 00:42:09

Yes.

Nathan: 00:42:10

And because I always was wondering how stupid, like this

Nathan: 00:42:13

doesn't make any sense at all.

Nathan: 00:42:14

If he's throwing general Vogel.

Nathan: 00:42:16

Out of the Zeppelin, why is the Zeppelin still taking off?

Nathan: 00:42:19

Like, why aren't they like calling the come back?

Nathan: 00:42:22

Like, why is it taking them like a half hour to figure this out?

Nathan: 00:42:26

And I never picked up on that, that looped in dialogue when they're going through

Nathan: 00:42:30

the belly of the Zeppelin afterwards until until this past week, like 30.

Nathan: 00:42:36

I know

Sam: 00:42:36

It's amazing.

Sam: 00:42:37

Like I've noticed little bits of dialogue that like the first time watching

Sam: 00:42:40

temple recently, I actually did not focus on all the gross out stuff and I

Sam: 00:42:45

listened to the expository dialogue and they explained a lot about the thuggy.

Sam: 00:42:48

I was like, man, I'd never knew that before.

Sam: 00:42:50

This is only my 40th time watching this movie, but I hear that.

Sam: 00:42:54

I, and, but there's little things like that.

Sam: 00:42:55

I love it when Sean Connery shoots the tail of the plane, but when it

Sam: 00:42:59

shows the wide shot of the plane.

Sam: 00:43:00

Yes.

Sam: 00:43:01

The tail's fine.

Sam: 00:43:02

Like it's,

Nathan: 00:43:03

by the way, there are like four major action set pieces in this film.

Nathan: 00:43:08

There's like the boat chase, there's the motorcycle chase.

Nathan: 00:43:12

There's the plane dog fight in the tank chase.

Nathan: 00:43:14

The plane dog fight.

Nathan: 00:43:16

It's really cool.

Nathan: 00:43:17

And I love the banter between him and his dad, but.

Nathan: 00:43:20

It looks awful.

Nathan: 00:43:22

Like those hats, they couldn't bother to have like even the

Nathan: 00:43:24

tiniest little fan blowing them to show that there is some wind.

Nathan: 00:43:28

I

Bee: 00:43:29

was just watching this so happy because I was like, man,

Bee: 00:43:32

these guys fucking love planes

Nathan: 00:43:34

like

Bee: 00:43:34

their

Nathan: 00:43:35

hats off or something, because it just, it shows that

Nathan: 00:43:38

they are clearly not fine.

Nathan: 00:43:39

And the funny thing is.

Nathan: 00:43:40

Steven Spielberg did another movie involving planes that same year, and that,

Nathan: 00:43:45

those flying sequences look a lot better.

Sam: 00:43:48

Yeah, they're, yeah, no, exactly, that was Christmas 89, that's incredible

Sam: 00:43:51

that's Ellie's favorite movie, sorry, sorry Ellie, I couldn't resist but yeah

Sam: 00:43:55

but even in 1989, That plane chase was very entertaining, but even as a kid,

Sam: 00:44:00

it looked, I could feel like I couldn't articulate it back then, but it looked a

Sam: 00:44:04

little wonky, but I like, I do love the, yeah, I love it when like the Nazi flies

Sam: 00:44:10

into the, under the bridge and like clips his wings and just slides past them on

Sam: 00:44:13

like under the top of those hilarious.

Sam: 00:44:16

That was

Nathan: 00:44:16

amazing.

Nathan: 00:44:17

I know you mentioned the tank chase, but like you said, I love

Nathan: 00:44:19

that you said that tank chase is on par with the chase in Raiders.

Nathan: 00:44:23

I think I agree.

Nathan: 00:44:25

And Harrison Ford riding a horse, chasing down.

Nathan: 00:44:28

I think, my God is Is there a better, is there a more natural combination

Nathan: 00:44:32

of two mammals on screen with,

Bee: 00:44:35

I can't think of, I can't think of it.

Bee: 00:44:38

You are forgetting about one great set piece though, Nathan.

Bee: 00:44:41

And it's the first one it's with River Phoenix.

Nathan: 00:44:44

It is great.

Nathan: 00:44:45

It is great.

Nathan: 00:44:45

That's amazing.

Nathan: 00:44:46

I

Bee: 00:44:47

love you get so much good backstory not to drag us all the way

Bee: 00:44:51

back to the beginning, but there's so much good stuff that happens.

Bee: 00:44:55

Yeah, I'm taking us along.

Bee: 00:44:56

Learning that Indy gets the scar on his chin from fighting a lion.

Bee: 00:45:00

That's pretty cool.

Bee: 00:45:01

Perfect.

Bee: 00:45:02

And I just the whole circus car chase I thought was great.

Bee: 00:45:06

And then getting to see his dad and how that sets all that up was perfect.

Sam: 00:45:11

Yep.

Sam: 00:45:11

I also love the opening shot of the mountain, like the

Sam: 00:45:14

Paramount logo on the mountain.

Sam: 00:45:16

The movie starts like I just love the variety of Indiana Jones movies opening.

Sam: 00:45:21

Cause it depends on what mood you're in.

Sam: 00:45:22

If you want like a big splashy nightclub scene, go see Temple.

Sam: 00:45:26

If you want this epic desert, beautiful shots in Utah and there's always,

Sam: 00:45:31

there's like singing at the beginning.

Sam: 00:45:32

I don't know if it's, if that's like the Boy Scouts or like Native

Sam: 00:45:35

Americans in the background.

Sam: 00:45:36

I never knew what that was.

Sam: 00:45:37

Cindy

Bee: 00:45:37

was a Boy Scout.

Sam: 00:45:39

No, but there's there's audio at the beginning and there's

Sam: 00:45:41

like singing and drums that you can hear behind the mountain.

Sam: 00:45:44

And I've always loved that.

Sam: 00:45:45

I never know what that was supposed to be, but it sounded cool.

Sam: 00:45:48

I can't wait

Bee: 00:45:48

to rewatch these movies because you, sometimes you both say stuff

Bee: 00:45:52

about them and I'm like, there's so much I'm sure I'm not picking up on.

Nathan: 00:45:57

I want to talk a couple of things about the end because I do have

Nathan: 00:46:01

a couple of nitpicks with the end.

Nathan: 00:46:02

I love this movie through and throughout, but there's a couple

Nathan: 00:46:05

of silly things at the end here.

Nathan: 00:46:07

Donovan and Elsa enter this chamber.

Nathan: 00:46:11

First of all, they're ignoring this 700 year old man dressed like a knight,

Nathan: 00:46:14

just, chilling there and maybe talk to that guy for a minute or two.

Nathan: 00:46:18

I don't know.

Nathan: 00:46:18

He might have something.

Nathan: 00:46:20

They're Nazis, Nathan.

Nathan: 00:46:21

They're bad people.

Nathan: 00:46:22

I know, but it's, it makes, paints them as just not very.

Nathan: 00:46:27

Interesting villains, they're not, and here's what silly is that Donovan

Nathan: 00:46:33

goes through the effort of sending in his minions into these trials

Nathan: 00:46:38

one at a time to you do this so that I don't die, but he so cavalierly

Nathan: 00:46:43

drinks from the grail, and Wait, so

Sam: 00:46:47

you mean when they enter the grail room as villains, they just seem like dumb

Sam: 00:46:51

or cartoonish or I didn't quite understand

Nathan: 00:46:54

what I'm saying, what I'm trying to say is maybe I didn't explain it

Nathan: 00:46:56

properly because I do that a lot of times, but Donovan is sending in all his minions

Nathan: 00:47:01

and Nazi soldiers in one at a time into the trial, like the first one, the breath

Nathan: 00:47:05

of God, and they're beheading them one at a time and that's smart, don't do it

Nathan: 00:47:11

himself, he's sending in other people.

Nathan: 00:47:14

To do it, which is also weird.

Nathan: 00:47:16

It's not about the penitent man must kneel.

Nathan: 00:47:19

The penitent man must kneel and roll, which is, I don't know if that's

Nathan: 00:47:24

supposed to be, but anyways, so he, but once Indy goes through, apparently

Nathan: 00:47:29

that trial has been triggered.

Nathan: 00:47:30

You don't have to ever do it again.

Nathan: 00:47:33

He's able to do somehow.

Nathan: 00:47:34

He also knows he can do the word of God.

Nathan: 00:47:38

I guess he heard Indy.

Nathan: 00:47:41

His dad tell him how to do that part about, Jehovah, he, even though Indy

Nathan: 00:47:46

did the bridge, he was able to do that.

Nathan: 00:47:50

I know he put some pebbles and stuff over it, but he didn't, he only did

Nathan: 00:47:53

like the first five or seven feet of it.

Nathan: 00:47:55

And that's like a 30 foot bridge.

Nathan: 00:47:57

And he was, he would still do that.

Nathan: 00:48:00

But even after he gets to the Knights chamber, he gets in there and.

Nathan: 00:48:06

He is so cavalier about, I can't decide and else's Oh, I'll choose for him.

Nathan: 00:48:12

Maybe not.

Nathan: 00:48:14

Maybe I'll have one of these other guys do it.

Sam: 00:48:19

In that moment.

Sam: 00:48:20

Yeah,

Nathan: 00:48:21

exactly.

Nathan: 00:48:22

And I'm like, it's just turned him into such a stupid character.

Nathan: 00:48:26

I get it.

Nathan: 00:48:27

I get it.

Nathan: 00:48:28

It's great for the film.

Nathan: 00:48:30

But when I thought about it, I was like, you know what?

Nathan: 00:48:31

It's just, it just doesn't work.

Nathan: 00:48:32

They needed it for the story, but it's a, I always thought I always

Sam: 00:48:36

had this like alternate hilarious ending in my head where the night is

Sam: 00:48:39

so glad that someone's there that like the night runs away and Indiana Jones

Sam: 00:48:43

is forced to be the new guardian.

Sam: 00:48:45

So he's just stuck in that room for the rest of his life.

Sam: 00:48:47

And like the movie ends with a taciturn Harrison Ford, like

Sam: 00:48:51

sitting on the night's chair.

Sam: 00:48:52

And he's just shit, and then the camera pulls back and that's it.

Sam: 00:48:56

I

Nathan: 00:48:56

just feel bad.

Nathan: 00:48:57

They fucked up that night's house, like I know

Sam: 00:49:01

she's still stuck there alive, technically forever.

Sam: 00:49:04

And like his place.

Sam: 00:49:05

I was like, do

Bee: 00:49:06

we think it reset?

Bee: 00:49:08

He doesn't

Nathan: 00:49:09

have the grail anymore, does he?

Nathan: 00:49:10

The grail fell into the pit.

Nathan: 00:49:12

It's just that it's still there.

Nathan: 00:49:12

It's on that ledge.

Bee: 00:49:13

It fell underneath.

Bee: 00:49:14

It's just,

Nathan: 00:49:15

so the knight can just swoop down and go get it, put it back, you think?

Bee: 00:49:17

It's I don't know, it's still on the foundation, that would be such an

Sam: 00:49:20

inappropriate mood killer if, after the end credits, it cuts back to the grail

Sam: 00:49:25

on the ledge and you see the knight reach for it, but he just falls in and he's

Nathan: 00:49:28

Does the knight, does the knight die?

Nathan: 00:49:29

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:49:29

I

Sam: 00:49:30

feel like the grail force field is still protecting that area.

Sam: 00:49:34

So I think he's just stuck there and he's got all the time in the world.

Sam: 00:49:37

So he can slowly chisel away at that pillar.

Sam: 00:49:41

That's like blocking the exit.

Sam: 00:49:42

He's got some, he's got some maintenance jobs to do in there.

Nathan: 00:49:46

The last thing I just want to say, I think these, we talked about.

Nathan: 00:49:49

The scene where Elsa is hanging from Indy's hand and soon falls and Indy takes

Nathan: 00:49:56

her place and his dad is holding him for me is the most important scene in this

Nathan: 00:50:02

entire

Nathan: 00:50:02

film because throughout we've been told that Henry only cares about

Nathan: 00:50:08

the grail and his son is secondary.

Nathan: 00:50:10

That's what the essence of what we've been led, what's going on here.

Nathan: 00:50:14

And Indy desperately wants to have his dad's approval and affection.

Nathan: 00:50:20

And he has that opportunity to grab the grail and his father

Nathan: 00:50:24

calls out, Indiana, let it go.

Nathan: 00:50:28

And in that instant, Henry is both acknowledging that It's not worth it, but

Nathan: 00:50:35

you are, and basically you're not defined by your treasures, but by being my son.

Nathan: 00:50:42

And in that instant, like all their shit is resolved and it's

Nathan: 00:50:46

such a great bit of writing.

Nathan: 00:50:48

It's a great moment.

Sam: 00:50:49

And it's the first time he calls him Indiana in the whole movie.

Sam: 00:50:52

He's always called him junior.

Sam: 00:50:54

So it's it's, I have literally just said the same thing.

Sam: 00:50:58

Spielberg loves the scene.

Sam: 00:50:59

And I think he.

Sam: 00:51:00

Yeah.

Sam: 00:51:00

Loves the movie because that moment like just

Bee: 00:51:04

it's this is a great double feature with the Fableman's

Nathan: 00:51:07

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:51:09

Yeah.

Sam: 00:51:09

Interesting.

Sam: 00:51:09

Yeah.

Sam: 00:51:10

I love

Nathan: 00:51:10

it.

Nathan: 00:51:11

He's working out a lot of stuff.

Nathan: 00:51:12

A lot of issues.

Nathan: 00:51:13

Daddy issues.

Nathan: 00:51:14

For sure.

Bee: 00:51:15

A lot of his movies have big child of divorce energy,

Nathan: 00:51:18

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:51:19

You know what?

Nathan: 00:51:19

There is, there's another clip that I want to play here.

Nathan: 00:51:21

Then we could probably take a break here.

Nathan: 00:51:22

Okay.

Nathan: 00:51:24

I know we're going backwards from the climax of this movie

Nathan: 00:51:26

here, but there's such a, there's a lot of subtle moments here.

Nathan: 00:51:29

I love all the quiet dialogue that Indy and his dad have, and there's the great

Nathan: 00:51:34

scene on the Zeppelin, but there's the scene also where after the tank falls down

Nathan: 00:51:41

and Henry thinks he lost his son and he has that scene where I think I thought

Nathan: 00:51:46

I lost him and all that and he sees that He lived we already talked about this a

Nathan: 00:51:49

little bit You But for a few seconds, he becomes his father and he hugs him and.

Nathan: 00:51:57

It's one of the, it's such a great moment where Indiana Jones, he smiles

Nathan: 00:52:02

and he's being embraced by his dad.

Nathan: 00:52:05

And honestly, it's the first time I watch this movie where I actually started to

Nathan: 00:52:08

cry because I know that feeling, to seek that affection from someone and then.

Nathan: 00:52:15

Five seconds later, it's like back to work, and it's almost I didn't mean to

Nathan: 00:52:19

get that sentimental, so it's such, it was a home hitting moment in a lot of

Nathan: 00:52:25

ways for me, but yeah but that was the essence of this whole movie and then

Nathan: 00:52:29

it culminates in that ending, but yeah.

Bee: 00:52:31

It's a perfect ending.

Bee: 00:52:33

It's, like I said, the ending out of the three that sticks

Bee: 00:52:35

the landing for me the most.

Bee: 00:52:37

Especially, I really didn't like the ending of Temple, and I

Bee: 00:52:40

think this is so much stronger.

Bee: 00:52:42

It does a couple things.

Bee: 00:52:43

What you're talking about with the father and son relationship,

Bee: 00:52:45

Nathan, I think is spot on.

Bee: 00:52:48

It's so validating, not just that they find each other and have affection for

Bee: 00:52:54

each other despite their differences, but how they're two pieces of a puzzle, and

Bee: 00:52:59

their work complements each other so well.

Bee: 00:53:02

That they are that they work together.

Bee: 00:53:05

And that they're this great combination and that together

Bee: 00:53:08

they can solve these problems.

Bee: 00:53:09

And I like that the diary is the sort of prop throughout the film

Bee: 00:53:15

that tells the story of distance and then bring each other closer.

Bee: 00:53:18

And then it's just a tool that's used, pages are ripped out, but that bond is

Bee: 00:53:23

still the same and that togetherness.

Bee: 00:53:25

And you get such great storytelling at the end because you see Elsa fall and

Bee: 00:53:31

you see her It comes back to intention again, and yes, it's the moment of

Bee: 00:53:37

Sean Connery Henry saying, Indiana.

Bee: 00:53:40

It's I choose you.

Bee: 00:53:41

You're my priority over this, but it's also the character development for Indy.

Bee: 00:53:47

It's what we get to see him grow as to and saying, I'm going to put family first

Bee: 00:53:51

and the intention behind this first.

Sam: 00:53:57

Also, one quick thing that I was just thinking that I really like, but

Sam: 00:54:00

the story structure is even though the MacGuffin is the grail, I like cleverly

Sam: 00:54:05

doing the script where it's like the diary, but Brody has the map, but they

Sam: 00:54:09

go back to Berlin just to get the diary.

Sam: 00:54:12

It's not quite straightforward.

Sam: 00:54:14

And I like the twists and turns are entertaining there.

Bee: 00:54:18

Some great accoutrements.

Nathan: 00:54:20

Great accessories.

Nathan: 00:54:22

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:54:23

This movie is just so smart, lean, and we're gonna wrap this up.

Nathan: 00:54:26

I, one of the things I think just makes this.

Nathan: 00:54:29

Just wonderful filmmaking being the third film in this franchise is that The things

Nathan: 00:54:35

that were, Already familiar, so familiar with the Indy character in the universe.

Nathan: 00:54:39

We, we don't have to keep seeing over and over.

Nathan: 00:54:42

Like for instance, what I'm trying to say is like when they get to Berlin

Nathan: 00:54:45

and Indy overtakes a guard to get his uniform, we actually only see a quick

Nathan: 00:54:51

moment of some feet being dragged.

Nathan: 00:54:54

It, Indy steps out dressed as a Nazi soldier

Sam: 00:54:56

and the camera passes by their motorcycle.

Sam: 00:54:59

And it's just Oh, they're here.

Sam: 00:55:00

And they punched a guy out.

Sam: 00:55:01

Got it.

Sam: 00:55:01

Yeah.

Sam: 00:55:01

Okay.

Nathan: 00:55:02

We can fill in the gaps we've already seen so many times

Nathan: 00:55:06

having watched him sneak up on enemies and do this sort of thing.

Nathan: 00:55:09

It saves us from having to watch it again.

Nathan: 00:55:12

That's keeping this, the momentum moving forward.

Nathan: 00:55:15

We can picture it in our mind's eye, how that exchange went down.

Nathan: 00:55:19

Spielberg was smart enough to trust the audience did not have

Nathan: 00:55:23

to show us another instance of.

Nathan: 00:55:24

Indy sneaking up on somebody and punching him and taking him out.

Nathan: 00:55:27

We didn't need another fight sequence.

Nathan: 00:55:29

We got what we needed to in those little moments.

Nathan: 00:55:32

So it is it's really well done.

Nathan: 00:55:35

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:55:36

I don't have anything else.

Nathan: 00:55:37

I don't know about you guys.

Bee: 00:55:40

It was great.

Bee: 00:55:41

It's a good movie.

Nathan: 00:55:44

All right.

Nathan: 00:55:46

Let's take a quick break.

Nathan: 00:55:50

So thanks everyone for joining us.

Nathan: 00:55:52

We appreciate you to the Maximus.

Nathan: 00:55:55

Don't let the theme of our show fool you.

Nathan: 00:55:57

We are all about connecting with our listeners and we'd love to hear your

Nathan: 00:56:01

thoughts on the films we discuss.

Nathan: 00:56:03

If you've seen Indiana Jones and the last crusade and want to share

Nathan: 00:56:07

your opinions, send us an email at.

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Nathan: 00:56:13

You can chime in on social media at back to the framerate with your thoughts

Nathan: 00:56:17

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Nathan: 00:56:20

We can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Tik TOK threads, YouTube,

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and Twitter still, and one of the things I just want to mention, we are.

Nathan: 00:56:29

Still actively trying to grow our audience.

Nathan: 00:56:32

And, I post so much on our socials and all these places I just mentioned,

Nathan: 00:56:37

but word of mouth is by far the best way of growing our audience.

Nathan: 00:56:42

So if you are a fan of our show, I would just ask, please tell someone.

Nathan: 00:56:47

That you love and listen to back to the frame rate.

Nathan: 00:56:50

That is the best way of helping us grow our fan base.

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So we would appreciate it.

Nathan: 00:56:55

Okay.

Nathan: 00:56:56

So we're going to come back and get to our decisions on whether

Nathan: 00:57:02

Indiana Jones and the last crusade is going to be saved in a vault.

Nathan: 00:57:09

For future generations are purged into the fiery apocalypse.

Nathan: 00:57:16

Seems like there might not be a lot of suspense here, but I will go first.

Nathan: 00:57:21

Cause I went first on my review.

Nathan: 00:57:23

I, like I said before, if I think this is a better movie than Raiders

Nathan: 00:57:26

of the Lost Ark, and I said that was a perfect film, then absolutely.

Nathan: 00:57:31

This movie has to be saved.

Nathan: 00:57:32

If these were the only two Indiana Jones movies ever made, then they would be.

Nathan: 00:57:37

That's all I would ever need.

Nathan: 00:57:38

Yes, this movie must be saved in our vault, a hundred percent.

Bee: 00:57:46

Yeah.

Bee: 00:57:47

I totally agree.

Bee: 00:57:48

I, I was a little on the fence earlier because Raiders is just such a perfect all

Bee: 00:57:53

encapsulating film, but this movie just touches on so much character development

Bee: 00:57:59

that I do think if you're going to have multiple Indiana Jones movies in

Bee: 00:58:03

the vault, these are the two to have.

Bee: 00:58:05

The differences are important enough.

Bee: 00:58:07

So it's a yes for me.

Nathan: 00:58:08

But B, you haven't seen Crystal Skull yet, so we don't know.

Bee: 00:58:12

Sure.

Bee: 00:58:12

Maybe we can have three.

Bee: 00:58:13

I don't know.

Bee: 00:58:14

My mind's open.

Bee: 00:58:15

I know literally nothing about it.

Bee: 00:58:19

Are there still Nazis?

Bee: 00:58:21

I don't know.

Sam: 00:58:23

We shall find out.

Bee: 00:58:25

Okay.

Bee: 00:58:25

I was surprised to see them back.

Bee: 00:58:26

I was like, ooh.

Sam: 00:58:28

Though I truly love this movie, I don't, I would not include it in the

Sam: 00:58:32

vault just because, no I'm kidding, I would put it in the vault, yeah.

Bee: 00:58:36

I totally believed you, Sam.

Bee: 00:58:38

Me too.

Bee: 00:58:39

Yeah, I was like, alright.

Nathan: 00:58:41

You should trade a fuck with us.

Sam: 00:58:43

Yeah, pretty much.

Sam: 00:58:45

But I can't say, yeah, like I agree.

Sam: 00:58:46

It's if I, it's almost as good as Raiders, it's of course, like I

Sam: 00:58:49

can't, I also, when it comes to, if we did the Star Trek franchise, I'd

Sam: 00:58:53

be doomed because I'm a completionist.

Sam: 00:58:55

So even the shitty ones, like I need to have all of them

Sam: 00:58:58

on a shelf so I can have the.

Sam: 00:59:00

To choose.

Sam: 00:59:00

If one movie's missing, as terrible as it is, that's the one I'm going to

Sam: 00:59:04

want to watch because it's not there.

Nathan: 00:59:09

All right.

Nathan: 00:59:11

That was, I think, that was a really good discussion of this film.

Nathan: 00:59:13

Thanks.

Nathan: 00:59:13

That was Thanks guys.

Nathan: 00:59:14

All right.

Bee: 00:59:16

I'm so glad.

Bee: 00:59:16

Something that will never happen.

Sam: 00:59:18

Oh, no, what were you going to say?

Bee: 00:59:19

I was just going to say, I'm so glad to be watching these finally.

Bee: 00:59:23

And.

Bee: 00:59:25

Thanks, guys, for going along and doing a rewatch for me, because

Bee: 00:59:27

I really wanted to see these.

Bee: 00:59:29

It

Nathan: 00:59:30

only gets better from here.

Sam: 00:59:34

It's true, and one thing that will probably never happen on the show, but

Sam: 00:59:38

if you want to talk bad threequels, if we did threequels from 1983, we could do

Sam: 00:59:42

Jaws 3D and Smokey and the Bandit Part 3.

Sam: 00:59:46

Awful movies.

Sam: 00:59:47

That'll never happen, but listeners stay tuned for when

Bee: 00:59:50

we're

Bee: 00:59:52

all together to watch Jaws next year.

Nathan: 00:59:54

Let's get this in the room.

Nathan: 00:59:55

I almost forgot to do this.

Nathan: 00:59:57

Here we go.

Bumper: 01:00:07

All right.

Sam: 01:00:08

Junior.

Bumper: 01:00:09

All

Nathan: 01:00:13

right.

Nathan: 01:00:14

It is time to get to our Harrison Ford movie draft and check out

Nathan: 01:00:21

my snazzy new movie draft bumper.

Bumper: 01:00:24

Truth wise, you take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland and I

Bumper: 01:00:29

show you how to beat the radicals.

Bumper: 01:00:31

I reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue the ship.

Bumper: 01:00:34

What?

Bumper: 01:00:35

You cheated.

Bumper: 01:00:36

I don't like to lose.

Bumper: 01:00:38

Come on.

Sam: 01:00:40

Yes.

Sam: 01:00:43

I I am all about Captain Kirk from Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Khan.

Sam: 01:00:47

And that audio quote, incredible.

Nathan: 01:00:49

I had

Sam: 01:00:50

some fun.

Sam: 01:00:50

One thing that's missing is you should have had, he chose P P P P Pauly.

Nathan: 01:00:55

Maybe I'll do a remix of it.

Nathan: 01:00:58

Need some help.

Nathan: 01:00:59

Anybody want to do some audio editing out there?

Nathan: 01:01:02

Email us.

Nathan: 01:01:02

All right.

Nathan: 01:01:04

I'm a busy guy.

Nathan: 01:01:05

I'm a busy guy.

Sam: 01:01:06

That was actually really well done.

Sam: 01:01:07

Yeah.

Sam: 01:01:07

Okay.

Nathan: 01:01:08

Okay.

Nathan: 01:01:09

So rules of our Harrison Ford movie draft.

Nathan: 01:01:13

We're in the middle of our Indiana Jones retrospective.

Nathan: 01:01:16

So why not do this?

Nathan: 01:01:18

The rules are this.

Nathan: 01:01:19

We are each going to draft five Harrison Ford movies.

Nathan: 01:01:24

And we cannot draft this.

Nathan: 01:01:27

Once a movie is drafted, it is off the table book.

Nathan: 01:01:31

Off the table.

Nathan: 01:01:32

It is and we just want to get our five feet movies.

Nathan: 01:01:36

I'm excited.

Nathan: 01:01:38

All right.

Nathan: 01:01:39

And Saint, this

Sam: 01:01:40

ain't no joke.

Sam: 01:01:40

This is gonna be epic.

Nathan: 01:01:42

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:01:43

So what's funny is I looked at his filmography.

Nathan: 01:01:48

He is not the most prolific.

Nathan: 01:01:51

Actor out there.

Nathan: 01:01:52

He's been around since the early seventies, but man, he, and he is a

Bee: 01:01:57

little bit of a journeyman too, right?

Bee: 01:01:58

He just takes job.

Nathan: 01:02:00

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:02:01

So let's see what happens.

Nathan: 01:02:02

And I had to do this.

Nathan: 01:02:04

Did you, I know I didn't, I sprung this on you, but do you have any

Nathan: 01:02:08

particular strategy you wanna share?

Bee: 01:02:11

No.

Bee: 01:02:12

I'm not telling you.

Trailer: 01:02:13

Poker, puh, poker face.

Trailer: 01:02:16

Okay.

Bee: 01:02:18

Alright, speaking of my fave, my favorite hair is important.

Nathan: 01:02:21

To do this in a fair way, this is how, we will do a random number for

Nathan: 01:02:27

this, cause I don't have a better system.

Nathan: 01:02:30

No, I like the order we were in.

Nathan: 01:02:33

1 to

Bee: 01:02:35

20?

Nathan: 01:02:36

We'll do 1 to 20.

Bee: 01:02:39

11.

Nathan: 01:02:41

He has 11.

Nathan: 01:02:44

16.

Nathan: 01:02:46

And I'll do, and I'll do 2.

Nathan: 01:02:49

And it is 18.

Nathan: 01:02:51

Woo!

Nathan: 01:02:52

So Sam, you are going 1st, Bea, you are going 2nd, and I'm going 3rd.

Trailer: 01:03:00

Okay.

Trailer: 01:03:02

A trilogy of people.

Nathan: 01:03:05

A three quill.

Nathan: 01:03:06

Alright, so Sam, you get the first pick in our movie draft,

Nathan: 01:03:11

Harrison Ford movie draft.

Nathan: 01:03:13

And I want to do this also let's like a timer, like 10 seconds at most.

Nathan: 01:03:18

So let's do this fast.

Nathan: 01:03:19

So keep this entertaining,

Sam: 01:03:21

sounds good.

Sam: 01:03:21

So I, when I was born in 1981, for my first choice, I would choose the

Sam: 01:03:29

excellent Peter Weir directed film Witness starring Harrison Ford.

Nathan: 01:03:36

Okay.

Nathan: 01:03:38

Witness at the table.

Bee: 01:03:40

Dammit.

Nathan: 01:03:43

Already done.

Nathan: 01:03:46

Not happy.

Nathan: 01:03:47

All right, B.

Bee: 01:03:49

Blade Runner.

Nathan: 01:03:51

Blade Runner.

Nathan: 01:03:53

Oh, you guys, I don't know what's

Bee: 01:03:54

wrong with me.

Bee: 01:03:55

B's second favorite movie.

Bee: 01:03:56

Okay.

Nathan: 01:04:00

I am, I'm going to go with Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Bee: 01:04:05

Dammit.

Bee: 01:04:06

All right.

Bee: 01:04:07

It's fine.

Bee: 01:04:07

I'm fine.

Nathan: 01:04:09

You're fine.

Nathan: 01:04:09

You're fine.

Nathan: 01:04:10

We're fine.

Bee: 01:04:11

I'm fine.

Bee: 01:04:11

It's fine.

Bee: 01:04:12

All

Nathan: 01:04:12

right.

Nathan: 01:04:12

I got my Indiana Jones in.

Nathan: 01:04:15

All right.

Nathan: 01:04:16

And are we doing snake?

Nathan: 01:04:17

We're doing snake.

Nathan: 01:04:17

I didn't mention that before, but we have to do snake.

Nathan: 01:04:20

Do what?

Nathan: 01:04:21

Snake order.

Nathan: 01:04:22

Snake order.

Nathan: 01:04:22

So I have the fourth pick.

Nathan: 01:04:23

The third and fourth pick, we do snake order throughout.

Nathan: 01:04:27

I'm just bringing the sign in now.

Nathan: 01:04:28

Oh.

Nathan: 01:04:28

You know what I'm saying?

Bee: 01:04:30

Yeah, either way, I'm in the middle, doesn't matter.

Nathan: 01:04:33

Right.

Nathan: 01:04:34

I want to witness, but that's okay.

Nathan: 01:04:37

I have to get in the two of the biggest franchises he was in.

Nathan: 01:04:42

But I, he's, he was never cooler.

Nathan: 01:04:46

In a Star Wars movie than he was in Empire Strikes Back.

Bee: 01:04:51

Mm hmm.

Nathan: 01:04:54

Okay.

Bee: 01:04:55

I'm going Last Crusade.

Nathan: 01:04:58

Last Crusade.

Nathan: 01:05:00

I'm gonna take the movie

Bee: 01:05:01

we just watched.

Nathan: 01:05:05

Last Crusade is off the table.

Nathan: 01:05:10

All right, Blade Runner Last Crusade, we are all in the 80s still.

Sam: 01:05:15

Wait, do I, It's the early days.

Sam: 01:05:17

I go now, right?

Sam: 01:05:18

Or do I not?

Nathan: 01:05:19

Yes, you and you pick two.

Nathan: 01:05:21

You get two picks, Sam.

Sam: 01:05:23

Oh, wow.

Sam: 01:05:24

Options.

Bee: 01:05:24

I'm gonna.

Bee: 01:05:25

Are the middles really.

Bee: 01:05:26

I'm

Sam: 01:05:26

gonna.

Sam: 01:05:26

I'm gonna.

Sam: 01:05:27

So I can choose two right now is what you're saying?

Sam: 01:05:30

Yes.

Sam: 01:05:31

Yes.

Sam: 01:05:31

That's incredible.

Sam: 01:05:32

I'm gonna do a one, two Philip Noyce punch from 1992 and 1994.

Sam: 01:05:39

That would be.

Sam: 01:05:39

You aren't you?

Sam: 01:05:40

Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger.

Bee: 01:05:43

I was going to do Patriot Games.

Bee: 01:05:46

Oh, I was going to do Patriot Games.

Bee: 01:05:49

Okay, it's fine.

Sam: 01:05:52

I had those two available to me.

Sam: 01:05:54

It was all too clear.

Bee: 01:05:57

I'm doing The Fugitive.

Nathan: 01:06:03

The Fugitive.

Nathan: 01:06:07

Tommy Lee Jones.

Nathan: 01:06:08

All my favorites are being taken away.

Nathan: 01:06:11

Joey Pants.

Nathan: 01:06:15

Okay, my top tier is gone, all except for one.

Nathan: 01:06:22

But, I don't know if I want that one.

Nathan: 01:06:24

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:06:24

And okay, this is going to sound like an odd pick, but I think this is an

Nathan: 01:06:29

extremely underrated movie, and I think the only time he ever played

Nathan: 01:06:34

a villain, and I love this movie to death, and this is What Lies Beneath.

Sam: 01:06:39

Ooh, good one.

Sam: 01:06:41

Good choice.

Bee: 01:06:42

Never seen it.

Bee: 01:06:43

I love the variety.

Bee: 01:06:44

You'd like it, it's

Trailer: 01:06:45

scary.

Trailer: 01:06:45

I would.

Trailer: 01:06:46

I love this.

Trailer: 01:06:46

It's actually really good.

Trailer: 01:06:47

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:06:49

And I can't, I had to go with that because I've got

Nathan: 01:06:52

the other franchise covered.

Nathan: 01:06:57

Nobody's picked the other anyways, it's okay.

Nathan: 01:07:01

I know B, you're not going to take any Star Wars movies.

Bee: 01:07:03

I like Star Wars.

Bee: 01:07:04

There's no reason that I wouldn't take any Star Wars movies.

Nathan: 01:07:09

All right.

Nathan: 01:07:09

Oh, I've got another pick.

Nathan: 01:07:10

I think I have another pick.

Nathan: 01:07:11

All right.

Nathan: 01:07:12

I get another one.

Nathan: 01:07:13

Hmm.

Nathan: 01:07:14

I can't, I don't want two Star Wars movies in my pick.

Nathan: 01:07:17

I want variety.

Nathan: 01:07:18

And you've taken all the ones that I want, so I am gonna go down another tier.

Trailer: 01:07:25

You sure it's not Return of the Jedi

Trailer: 01:07:27

. Nathan: Sorry man.

Trailer: 01:07:29

And I am going to here's okay, this is gonna be a little weird Be

Trailer: 01:07:32

you took Blade Runner and I am a giant fan of Blade 20 20, 20 49.

Trailer: 01:07:38

Yeah.

Trailer: 01:07:39

Yeah, I was gonna take

Bee: 01:07:40

it.

Bee: 01:07:41

That's a great, it's a great legacy.

Bee: 01:07:43

Cool.

Nathan: 01:07:43

Yeah, I'm done with that.

Nathan: 01:07:45

I love

Bee: 01:07:45

that movie.

Bee: 01:07:48

Fuck.

Nathan: 01:07:49

All right.

Nathan: 01:07:49

I only got one pick after this.

Nathan: 01:07:52

All right.

Nathan: 01:07:52

How many

Bee: 01:07:53

picks do I have?

Nathan: 01:07:54

You get you're up, you got two picks.

Nathan: 01:07:55

These are your last two, , you got one pick.

Nathan: 01:07:58

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:07:59

Yeah, you're in the middle.

Bee: 01:08:00

Okay.

Bee: 01:08:01

All right.

Bee: 01:08:02

This is tough.

Bee: 01:08:03

This is tough.

Bee: 01:08:04

I'll go Star Wars.

Bee: 01:08:05

Let's do the OG Star Wars.

Nathan: 01:08:09

Alright.

Nathan: 01:08:13

Sam?

Trailer: 01:08:15

Get off my plane, Air Force One.

Nathan: 01:08:22

Air Force One.

Nathan: 01:08:23

Can't believe none

Bee: 01:08:24

of us picked Sabrina.

Nathan: 01:08:26

Yeah, I've seen that.

Nathan: 01:08:28

And Sam, you have your last pick.

Sam: 01:08:36

Ah,

Sam: 01:08:39

fleppergast.

Nathan: 01:08:39

The Devil's Own.

Sam: 01:08:41

I, completely, I can't believe I'm going to pick this movie.

Sam: 01:08:44

This I, this is I'm committing blasphemy.

Sam: 01:08:46

This movie is a guilty pleasure for me.

Sam: 01:08:48

Give you a hint.

Sam: 01:08:49

He co stars in this film.

Sam: 01:08:51

One of his co stars is David Schwimmer.

Sam: 01:08:53

I'm of course referring to six days, seven nights.

Sam: 01:08:56

I

Nathan: 01:09:00

didn't expect that.

Sam: 01:09:01

Yeah, neither did I.

Sam: 01:09:02

Yeah, I

Nathan: 01:09:05

did not expect that.

Nathan: 01:09:06

I haven't seen it.

Sam: 01:09:08

So it's ridiculous.

Sam: 01:09:10

I love it.

Sam: 01:09:11

It's like Diet Coke, Indiana Jones, basically.

Nathan: 01:09:15

Okay,

Nathan: 01:09:18

be your last pick.

Bee: 01:09:20

Oh, I got one more.

Bee: 01:09:21

I thought that was my last one.

Bee: 01:09:23

You have Blade

Nathan: 01:09:23

Runner, Last Crusade, Fugitive and Star Wars.

Trailer: 01:09:26

Let me guess Force 10 from Navarone?

Bee: 01:09:30

Nailed it.

Bee: 01:09:31

Obviously it's Cowboys and Aliens.

Bee: 01:09:33

No, it's not.

Bee: 01:09:34

It's not.

Bee: 01:09:34

It's not.

Bee: 01:09:35

It's Not his biggest, but he's in American Graffiti, it's not a vehicle for him, but

Nathan: 01:09:43

it's not, and I thought about that because it's a really

Nathan: 01:09:46

great movie, but he's, it's not a

Bee: 01:09:48

Harrison Ford vehicle, I be tempted to do Working Girl or something,

Bee: 01:09:51

but I like American Graffiti better.

Bee: 01:09:53

You did

Sam: 01:09:53

pick The Fugitive, right?

Sam: 01:09:56

She has it.

Sam: 01:09:57

Yeah.

Sam: 01:09:57

Okay, good.

Sam: 01:09:57

I'm just glad that movie has someone has to acknowledge that.

Sam: 01:10:00

Yeah, that's a great movie.

Sam: 01:10:01

Yeah.

Bumper: 01:10:01

Yeah.

Sam: 01:10:03

That's like quintessential Harrison Ford on the run.

Sam: 01:10:06

God, it's great.

Nathan: 01:10:09

And that leaves my final pick.

Nathan: 01:10:12

And I'm looking like, do I have anything in the second, third or fourth tier?

Nathan: 01:10:19

And it's, man, it's like more Star Wars and Indiana Jones films.

Bee: 01:10:25

You can pick those though.

Sam: 01:10:27

I think you should pick the Rise of Skywalker because he's in it

Sam: 01:10:31

for 10 minutes or like 10 seconds.

Nathan: 01:10:33

Honestly, the movie that I have, okay, here it is.

Nathan: 01:10:38

This is actually a really good movie and I almost forgot all about it.

Nathan: 01:10:42

And it's the film that he met River Phoenix on to, To suggest that he become,

Nathan: 01:10:49

he be cast as the young version of him.

Nathan: 01:10:52

And that is the mosquito coast, really good film.

Bee: 01:10:56

I want to see that.

Bee: 01:10:57

I've never seen it, but I think I would like it.

Sam: 01:11:00

I think also a Peter Weir film, I think, right?

Sam: 01:11:02

It is.

Sam: 01:11:03

It is.

Sam: 01:11:03

Yeah.

Bee: 01:11:04

Yeah, I know.

Bee: 01:11:05

Cause I was going through Peter Weir stuff when we were doing our Mad Max.

Bee: 01:11:09

It's

Nathan: 01:11:09

low in my tears because I haven't seen it since probably 1988 or so.

Nathan: 01:11:14

But I remember.

Nathan: 01:11:16

I don't know if I was liking it back then, but I was 14 or so when I saw it.

Nathan: 01:11:19

So I don't, it might sit very differently with me then.

Nathan: 01:11:22

I'd like to watch it again, I think it's really good.

Bee: 01:11:26

I like Harrison Ford as an actor, but he is either in movies that I

Bee: 01:11:31

really or movies that I really are so not up my street at all, I don't know.

Bee: 01:11:35

I totally hear that.

Bee: 01:11:36

All my

Sam: 01:11:36

choices are essentially like Harrison Ford vehicles, like he's such a good

Sam: 01:11:40

movie star that like, you see the movies that are like Ford, center, whatever.

Nathan: 01:11:48

Honestly, there's his last one, two, three, four, five,

Nathan: 01:11:53

six, seven, eight, nine, 10, his last 13 movies I've only seen.

Nathan: 01:11:59

Over the last 13 movies, like Dial of Destiny, Blade Runner,

Nathan: 01:12:02

Force Awakens, and Crystal Skull.

Nathan: 01:12:04

If you go back before that, I stopped watching his movies

Nathan: 01:12:09

after K 19, The Widowmaker.

Nathan: 01:12:11

Everything after that, I've barely seen anything like Firewall,

Nathan: 01:12:14

Hollywood Homicide, Crossing Over.

Nathan: 01:12:16

Firewall, oh

Trailer: 01:12:17

man.

Nathan: 01:12:18

Extraordinary measures, morning glory.

Nathan: 01:12:20

I never saw Cowboys and Aliens.

Nathan: 01:12:22

I never saw Ender's Game.

Nathan: 01:12:23

I never saw Call of the Wild.

Nathan: 01:12:25

So all of these are very fascinating.

Nathan: 01:12:26

How come Call of

Sam: 01:12:27

the Wild didn't get picked tonight?

Sam: 01:12:28

Yeah, I've seen those all.

Sam: 01:12:29

Yeah.

Sam: 01:12:29

Some of them aren't so great.

Sam: 01:12:30

Ender's Game,

Bee: 01:12:31

I liked the book a lot.

Bee: 01:12:33

I wasn't thrilled with the movie.

Bee: 01:12:35

It was fine.

Bee: 01:12:36

Yeah, there was just There's some stuff that I'm just like, yeah, it's just.

Sam: 01:12:40

Ender's Game, the movie was like,

Bee: 01:12:42

that was good.

Bee: 01:12:44

Technically a movie.

Bee: 01:12:47

All

Nathan: 01:12:47

right, let's just recap our list here.

Nathan: 01:12:49

Sam, run down your movies.

Sam: 01:12:51

My movies are Six Days, Seven Nights, Witness, Clear and Present

Sam: 01:12:55

Danger, Patriot Games, and Air Force One.

Nathan: 01:12:58

Bea, run down your movies.

Bee: 01:13:00

No, I didn't write them down.

Bee: 01:13:02

I will run

Nathan: 01:13:03

down your movies.

Nathan: 01:13:04

You have Blade Runner, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, The Fugitive, Star Wars,

Nathan: 01:13:10

A New Hope, just to clarify, the first one, and American Graffiti, the first one.

Nathan: 01:13:16

I have great taste.

Nathan: 01:13:18

And my five movies were Raiders of the Lost Ark, Empire Strikes Back,

Nathan: 01:13:24

What Lies Beneath, Blade Runner 2049, and The Mosquito Coast.

Nathan: 01:13:30

Listeners at home.

Nathan: 01:13:31

Who won this draft?

Nathan: 01:13:32

Let us know.

Nathan: 01:13:33

Obviously it was me.

Nathan: 01:13:35

Obviously.

Nathan: 01:13:35

It's not even a contest.

Bee: 01:13:36

So sorry guys.

Bee: 01:13:38

And

Nathan: 01:13:39

our, so we're going to end this episode with our weekly highlight, where

Nathan: 01:13:48

we just talk about anything that we watched this week in the world of movies

Nathan: 01:13:52

or not, if anyone has anything they would like to mention, I have something, but

Nathan: 01:13:57

would anybody else like to go first?

Sam: 01:14:00

Go for it.

Sam: 01:14:02

You go first.

Sam: 01:14:03

I'm thinking, I'm sure I saw something.

Nathan: 01:14:06

You guys already mentioned last week that you saw Tim Burton's

Nathan: 01:14:10

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, but I did finally catch up with it.

Nathan: 01:14:13

Oh, nice.

Nathan: 01:14:13

This past week.

Nathan: 01:14:15

I'd like to say it's the best thing that Tim Burton has done in

Nathan: 01:14:20

decades, but honestly, I've barely seen anything he's done in so long.

Nathan: 01:14:24

So I can only speculate that this is the best thing he's done in a long time.

Nathan: 01:14:28

I have watched Wednesday the Netflix show, which I do think is well done,

Nathan: 01:14:32

which of course he's behind that.

Nathan: 01:14:33

This film though, I liked it, didn't love it, definitely think the second

Nathan: 01:14:41

half is stronger than the first.

Nathan: 01:14:44

And maybe that's because it spends a lot of time.

Nathan: 01:14:48

Introducing a lot of characters up front, but I think it's to the film's

Nathan: 01:14:54

detriment way too many characters, way too many subplots and several, which

Nathan: 01:15:00

they could have just done away with.

Nathan: 01:15:03

And I think the film would have been stronger.

Nathan: 01:15:05

What I did like though, in the second half is that this, it does

Nathan: 01:15:08

just completely go bat shit crazy and really happy about that.

Nathan: 01:15:12

And I'm glad they didn't, still did not make Beetlejuice like.

Nathan: 01:15:19

The main character.

Nathan: 01:15:20

And I was worried that this is what a lot of legacy equals do.

Nathan: 01:15:23

Oh, the thing that everybody loves.

Nathan: 01:15:24

We're going to make that the thing.

Bee: 01:15:26

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:15:27

And, but I did read that if you do clock it, michael Keaton's Beetlejuice is

Nathan: 01:15:32

like in the first movie, like 20 minutes.

Nathan: 01:15:34

He's in this movie 40 minutes, which is significantly more, but it still

Nathan: 01:15:38

didn't feel like it was overused.

Nathan: 01:15:41

Keaton's still awesome in this movie.

Nathan: 01:15:46

I thought shined in this.

Nathan: 01:15:47

She was my second favorite part of this movie.

Nathan: 01:15:50

Me too.

Nathan: 01:15:50

I thought Jenna Torgo, Jenna Ortega was born to be in this franchise.

Nathan: 01:15:54

Winona Ryder, I don't know, I was really mixed on her in this film.

Nathan: 01:15:58

But anyways I did like the

Sam: 01:16:00

story element where the daughter, when the kid that she's interested

Sam: 01:16:03

in turns out to be like a dead,

Nathan: 01:16:06

I loved that.

Nathan: 01:16:06

I love that because when that, when they were first, let's not spoil it.

Nathan: 01:16:10

Let's not say a lot of people have not seen it

Sam: 01:16:12

Without giving away anything, I'll say when that character was first.

Sam: 01:16:16

Introduced, I thought, I was like, oh God, this is so cliche and boring.

Sam: 01:16:19

And I like that.

Sam: 01:16:20

There's more to it than that.

Nathan: 01:16:22

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:16:23

But yeah, I'm just, I am happy.

Nathan: 01:16:26

It's not terrible, but it was as good as I thought it was.

Nathan: 01:16:29

I not good best way.

Nathan: 01:16:31

I, it's about what I thought it was gonna be on the quality level.

Nathan: 01:16:34

It's serviceable fun.

Nathan: 01:16:36

It's fan service.

Bee: 01:16:38

Yeah.

Bee: 01:16:38

But I'm a fan and I was serviced.

Nathan: 01:16:40

Yeah.

Bee: 01:16:41

Like

Bee: 01:16:43

I.

Bee: 01:16:44

I think the movie suffers from too many plot lines.

Bee: 01:16:48

Like I think it's two movies that are clashing often.

Bee: 01:16:51

I thought it was

Nathan: 01:16:52

five movies that were, I

Sam: 01:16:53

hear that.

Sam: 01:16:54

I feel like it didn't

Bee: 01:16:55

bother me.

Bee: 01:16:56

I still loved it.

Bee: 01:16:57

I

Sam: 01:16:57

enjoyed it.

Sam: 01:16:58

I feel like the first film had the novelty of like their perception

Sam: 01:17:03

of what the afterlife is like, that it's like very bureaucratic.

Sam: 01:17:05

And like you see it for the first time in that film.

Sam: 01:17:08

So the concept is fresh where I feel like this movie Oscillates

Sam: 01:17:12

back and forth between the ghost world and the regular world.

Sam: 01:17:14

And it's busy.

Sam: 01:17:15

It has a lot going on,

Nathan: 01:17:17

but yeah, but

Sam: 01:17:17

I hear you.

Sam: 01:17:18

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:17:20

I'll leave it there.

Nathan: 01:17:21

Cause we're not doing like a full review on it, but I had a good time.

Nathan: 01:17:24

I had a good time and I thought it got stronger as the movie went on.

Nathan: 01:17:27

But anyways, that's, Beetlejuice.

Nathan: 01:17:31

Beetlejuice it's in theaters right now.

Bee: 01:17:37

I did not watch something new this week.

Bee: 01:17:38

I watched something very old from 1947.

Bee: 01:17:42

I watched Orson Welles, Lady from Shanghai, Three to Hayward.

Bee: 01:17:45

Oh, it's so good.

Bee: 01:17:47

You guys, it's so good.

Bee: 01:17:50

It's a little noir.

Bee: 01:17:51

It's a little, it's very fun.

Bee: 01:17:53

Very fun.

Bee: 01:17:55

Yeah.

Bee: 01:17:56

I don't want to give it away.

Bee: 01:17:57

Cause I hate to spoil a nearly a hundred year old movie, but please don't.

Nathan: 01:18:00

There are people are hanging on their seats, trying to, I don't want

Nathan: 01:18:03

to, I Anything Sam, that you did no,

Sam: 01:18:08

I saw last crusade, but it's a crazy week, but not much.

Sam: 01:18:11

Yeah.

Sam: 01:18:11

I meant to continue watching rings of power season two.

Sam: 01:18:14

I didn't get to it.

Sam: 01:18:15

So definitely next, next week I've only seen the first two episodes.

Sam: 01:18:18

Yeah,

Nathan: 01:18:18

I did see the new Jeremy Saulnier movie rebel Ridge on Netflix.

Nathan: 01:18:24

I, I do like his films a lot.

Nathan: 01:18:26

I'm a huge fan of Green Room and Blue Ruin.

Nathan: 01:18:30

I like, I did like it.

Nathan: 01:18:31

I like go crazy over it.

Nathan: 01:18:32

There's a lot of love for this online right now, but I thought

Nathan: 01:18:35

this was a really good entry.

Nathan: 01:18:36

If you like First Blood, Sylvester Stallone film, this is like.

Nathan: 01:18:41

In that tone, although much less violent, but it's like a similar type of character

Nathan: 01:18:48

in a, in that kind of situation.

Nathan: 01:18:50

It's well done.

Nathan: 01:18:51

It's really well done.

Nathan: 01:18:52

Not if you look at like the Netflix cover art, you would think this

Nathan: 01:18:56

is just some generic action film.

Nathan: 01:18:58

It's.

Nathan: 01:18:58

It's more than that.

Nathan: 01:19:00

It's got Don Johnson.

Nathan: 01:19:01

It's got Don Johnson

Bee: 01:19:02

in

Nathan: 01:19:04

a great role.

Nathan: 01:19:06

I like him so much.

Nathan: 01:19:08

Jeremy Salonier is a really good director.

Nathan: 01:19:10

And his stuff is excellent.

Nathan: 01:19:15

That's awesome.

Nathan: 01:19:16

So I recommend it.

Nathan: 01:19:18

And yeah that's really what I've been doing this week.

Bee: 01:19:21

I'm going to start a Coen brothers rewatch and go through their filmography.

Bee: 01:19:26

I've seen most of it.

Bee: 01:19:27

There's a few key ones that I'm missing, but I think I might

Bee: 01:19:31

just start at the beginning.

Bee: 01:19:32

Do it again.

Bee: 01:19:33

I rewatched a true grit, their remake of true grit, which is one

Bee: 01:19:37

of my favorite Coen brother movies.

Bee: 01:19:40

It's

Trailer: 01:19:40

a little beef.

Bee: 01:19:43

It's a perfect modern Western and it was so great to get lost in it.

Bee: 01:19:48

I just thought, I should just do all these again.

Sam: 01:19:50

I love that movie and Dana Carvey made the, did the funniest impression.

Sam: 01:19:54

Of, I can't name, I haven't heard brain is, it's, the guy

Sam: 01:19:59

from, The Jeff Bridges in Jeremy.

Sam: 01:20:03

He did an impression of him and he said that he sounds like he's

Sam: 01:20:06

digesting an enormous amount of food when he delivers any line in the way.

Sam: 01:20:10

Cause

Trailer: 01:20:10

he's

Sam: 01:20:12

Digesting like steak, it's perfect.

Bee: 01:20:16

I love that movie.

Bee: 01:20:18

I think I saw it like four times in theaters.

Sam: 01:20:21

That's a great movie.

Nathan: 01:20:23

Okay.

Nathan: 01:20:24

I think that about wraps it up.

Nathan: 01:20:25

Next week, come back, we are gonna be wrapping up our quest for fortune

Nathan: 01:20:31

and glory with Indiana Jones.

Nathan: 01:20:35

In the kingdom of the crystal skull.

Nathan: 01:20:37

What

Sam: 01:20:39

folks, what'd you say, Sam?

Sam: 01:20:41

Saving the best for last.

Nathan: 01:20:43

Saving the best for last.

Nathan: 01:20:45

It'll be a, it'll be a fun discussion.

Sam: 01:20:47

It will.

Sam: 01:20:49

All right.

Sam: 01:20:49

That's the show.

Sam: 01:20:50

Be is like.

Sam: 01:20:52

Trying to decode that.

Sam: 01:20:52

She's I don't know what they mean.

Sam: 01:20:53

That's the fun of it.

Sam: 01:20:54

Yeah.

Sam: 01:20:54

No, I

Bee: 01:20:54

think you guys are being sarcastic, but I'm still on the, I

Bee: 01:20:57

don't know if there will be Nazis again.

Sam: 01:20:59

We'll see.

Sam: 01:21:01

Never know.

Nathan: 01:21:02

Never know.

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Back to the framerate, signing off.

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We're about to complete a great quest.

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The Holy Grail, Dr.

Bumper: 01:22:06

Jones.

Nathan: 01:22:07

Wrong button.

Nathan: 01:22:10

How about this one?

Nathan: 01:22:11

I

Sam: 01:22:12

did it on purpose.

Nathan: 01:22:12

No.

Nathan: 01:22:15

There we go.

Nathan: 01:22:16

Podcast.

Nathan: 01:22:16

Podcast.

Sam: 01:22:18

Podcast.

Sam: 01:22:20

I

Trailer: 01:22:30

want you to know it's over.

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Well,

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bye.