The Apostle (1997) / Duv-All In #4 / aka Pray Hard with a Vengeance!
It's time for the grand finale of Duv-All In, our four-part celebration of the legendary Robert Duvall!
Nathan Suher, Sam Cole, and special guest Dave Merrill (filmmaker, entrepreneur, and Bluff City movie buff) dive into The Apostle (1997), the Academy Award-nominated drama that Robert Duvall didn't just star in... he wrote it, directed it, produced it, and practically brewed the coffee on set.
Is The Apostle Duvall's greatest performance? Why does this film still stand apart from almost every Hollywood movie about faith? Does its powerful story of redemption, guilt, and second chances earn a place in our Vault of Legends, or should it be left behind when the asteroid wipes out civilization?
Then things take a delightfully unhinged turn...
Nathan debuts Robert Duvall Sound Clip Jeopardy!, where Sam and Dave battle it out by identifying Robert Duvall movies using nothing but audio clips. Will they recognize Tender Mercies? The Great Santini? Network? Or will they accidentally buzz in with Days of Thunder when the answer was Deep Impact? (Anything is possible.)
Whether you're a lifelong Robert Duvall fan, a lover of classic cinema, or just looking for your next great movie recommendation, this episode closes out our Duv-All In retrospective with thoughtful conversation, questionable trivia skills, and plenty of laughs.
01:35 Meet our guest: Dave Merrill
07:05 Nathan's movie theater mishap (Disclosure Day)
13:20 The Apostle (1997) Trailer & Plot Synopsis
54:00 Final Ratings & Vault of Legends Verdict
01:08:00 Robert Duvall Sound Clip Jeopardy!
Transcript
In the dying embers of human existence.
Speaker A:As the asteroid, a behemoth the size of Texas, hurtles relentlessly toward Earth, the world braces for an apocalyptic end.
Speaker A:Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge plunges into the bowels of the earth.
Speaker A:Here the chosen gather their purpose clear to preserve the very soul of our civilization.
Speaker A:The 35 and 70 millimeter prints that encapsulate the magic, the emotion, and the dreams of generations past.
Speaker A:These masterpieces, each frame a testament to the human spirit, are carefully cataloged and cradled in the cavernous confines of the bunker.
Speaker A:Perhaps there was room for more, for friends and family yearning for salvation.
Speaker A:But sacrifices must be made.
Speaker A:The movie nerds stand united, the keepers of a flame, promising a future where the art of storytelling endures, transcending the boundaries of time and space.
Speaker B:God help us all.
Speaker B:Welcome to Back to the Frame Rate, a proud production of the Western Media Podcast Network.
Speaker B:In this cinematic crusade, we journey through films on VOD and streaming platforms, deciding their fate.
Speaker B:Salvation in our vault of legends, or eternal banishment to the flames of the coming asteroid apocalypse.
Speaker B:You can find all of our episodes of our show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or.
Speaker B:Or your favorite podcast app, or find us on social media at Back to the Frame Rate.
Speaker B:I'm Nathan Schur, and accompany me is my movie compadre, Sam Cole.
Speaker B:We also welcome to the show our friend, the bluff city Cinebuff, Dave Merrill.
Speaker C:Howdy.
Speaker B:Howdy.
Speaker B:How are you doing?
Speaker C:Oh, we are, we are.
Speaker C:We are all right down here in good old temperate Memphis.
Speaker B:Yeah, sounds good.
Speaker B:It is great to have you back.
Speaker B:It has been a hot minute, Dave, and you haven't been with us for.
Speaker B:Well, we took a little bit of a hiatus, so I can't say that it's not you, it's us.
Speaker B:But it's good to have you back.
Speaker D:When you say temperate, do you mean the weather is really, really hot?
Speaker D:Was that sarcasm I detected?
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:That's what I thought.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:I could.
Speaker C:I could sugarcoat it, but.
Speaker C:But why?
Speaker C:You know, you know, I mean, those.
Speaker C:Those people in that.
Speaker C:In that.
Speaker C:In.
Speaker C:In Washington think they've got, you know, problems with that.
Speaker C:That reflecting pool.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:That, you know, it's like the algae growth that will.
Speaker C:That, you know, the algae growth that you will encounter on the way to the car, you know, will send you back to the shower, you know, on the way out in the morning.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker B:What's going around on the algae growth?
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, I saw that.
Speaker D:I did enjoy the one of Yoda taking the X wing out.
Speaker C:I was like, ha ha.
Speaker D:That's funny.
Speaker C:That was pretty.
Speaker C:That was pretty awesome.
Speaker C:The Stephen Miller themed ones where it's either him as Smeagol, you know, catching the big mouth bass in his mouth, you know, or hatching out of, you know, alien eggs.
Speaker C:Those are pretty awesome.
Speaker B:I have not had enough time in my life to really dive into the Internet to find all of these yet, but I need to do that maybe tonight that's waste my time doing actually well.
Speaker B:Dave, you know, you've been on a show.
Speaker B:You could give a little backstory on who you are.
Speaker B:We should do that.
Speaker B:You are our guest.
Speaker B:I'll give you a moment to plug Dave for a moment.
Speaker E:Don't.
Speaker D:Whatever you do, don't mention your human trafficking days.
Speaker D:That would be bad.
Speaker B:Whoops, Sorry.
Speaker B:Give us the elevator pitch.
Speaker B:You know, you got 20 seconds.
Speaker B:You've got back to the frame rate.
Speaker B:Cruel right now.
Speaker B:You got the whole world at your fingertips.
Speaker B:You know, you got that 20 seconds here.
Speaker C:So for the uninitiated, Nathan and I go way, way back.
Speaker C:This is me a long story, you see.
Speaker C:Yeah, we go way, way back.
Speaker C:When I first got to Hollyweird, I was working for an independent producer at Moonstone Entertainment, having a wonderful time.
Speaker C:But sadly, I fell into the trap of someone dangling the keys to a golf cart and a large salary at Universal NBC, which I worked, you know, happily in corporate HR until receiving news about an opening on a production staff where I went to work with Nathan Lane on a.
Speaker C:How do we characterize it, Nathan?
Speaker C:Reality show, game show stunts and.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, just say what it is.
Speaker C:Yeah, Fear factor.
Speaker C:We both.
Speaker C:We both worked on Dan.
Speaker D:When you said Nathan Laney, you actually met Nathan Lane.
Speaker D:And I was like, oh, this is an interesting story.
Speaker C:Oh, did I slip and say.
Speaker C:Yeah, I thought.
Speaker C:I didn't mean to.
Speaker C:I said, I can't believe I said that.
Speaker D:That's like he's working with some high caliber talent immediately.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker D:It's like, I didn't question it.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, that's a story I don't know yet.
Speaker C:No, it.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, Sammy.
Speaker C:Yeah, know that, Know that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But since I've met Nathan, he made that impression of.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no.
Speaker C:That was a terrible slip of the tongue.
Speaker C:And then we worked.
Speaker C:We worked it.
Speaker B:That theatrical singing thing going.
Speaker C:You do, you do.
Speaker C:You're very.
Speaker C:You're very, very talented, man.
Speaker C:So, you know, worked on, worked on that, worked on that show.
Speaker C:Worked on a lot of films.
Speaker C: Moved back in the mid: Speaker C:Right now I'm working on a couple of cable show ideas and a, dare I say it, a novel.
Speaker C:I really.
Speaker C:Yeah, but I really can't.
Speaker C:Yeah, I really.
Speaker C:Please don't.
Speaker C:Let me talk about it.
Speaker C:You heard it here.
Speaker B:First novel coming up.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D: are running for President in: Speaker C:Thank you very much.
Speaker C:Why not?
Speaker D:You heard that here first.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I didn't mean to blow.
Speaker D:I know you're going to wait, but you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, I was actually going to have lunch with Gavin Newsom tomorrow.
Speaker C:We were going to have a chit chat about that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then I'm meeting AOC up in July in New York and we were going to.
Speaker C:We were going to go out for hot dogs, but, you know, that's another story, you know.
Speaker C:Anyway, nice.
Speaker B:Thank you for the scoop, Dave, and informing our audience a little bit who you are.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:So let's go over just a little bit of what we're going to be doing tonight.
Speaker B: 're going to be talking about: Speaker B:Written, performed, directed, acted, everything.
Speaker B:He probably percolated the coffee too on the set from Robert Duvall.
Speaker B:So this is.
Speaker B:I've been looking forward to this one.
Speaker B:So we're going to have a discussion with that later on.
Speaker B:We are going to have a fun little game.
Speaker B:We've never done this on the show before.
Speaker B:It is going to be a Robert Duvall sound clip trivia.
Speaker B:So stick around for that.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:I put in so much work into this that it'll never be really fully appreciated, but we'll see.
Speaker B:That'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker B:You two are gonna play I'm gonna be the Alex Trebek in this and we'll see how that goes.
Speaker B:Before we get into our discussion, Sam, I happened because I stalk you on social media.
Speaker B:I wanted to ask you.
Speaker B:You saw Disclosure Day.
Speaker D:I did.
Speaker D:I didn't do.
Speaker B:Can you give me a spoiler free quick thoughts on it?
Speaker B:And I will.
Speaker B:I went to go see it as well, but I may have had a different experience and you're going to laugh at it for a moment, but if you want to tell me, tell us any thoughts.
Speaker D:So I genuinely had a more positive experience with the movie.
Speaker D:I've seen on like social media.
Speaker D:I know, like a lot of people are kind of ho hum.
Speaker D:I did not think it was amazing, amazing, but I thought it was really good.
Speaker D:I just love the subject matter.
Speaker D:And there was some like really good suspense and decent performances and a very memorable ending.
Speaker D:One of the thing about like Steven Spielberg movies, whether they're the best of the best or like lower on his list, is they always leave an impression and you always think about them afterwards.
Speaker D:And I've never seen him make a film that like, you forget you've watched.
Speaker D:But I would, Yeah, I would give Disclosure Day, like probably like three and a half, four stars.
Speaker D:I saw it like opening weekend imax.
Speaker D:Good times.
Speaker E:All right.
Speaker D:But definitely, if we ever, if we were ever doing a more detailed review, I do have like shortcomings.
Speaker D:It's just if I go into them now, it like cascades into a thing, you know.
Speaker B:Okay, well, thanks.
Speaker B:So I need to share a very interesting story about my experience going to see Disclosure Day.
Speaker B:Because I went last weekend to see.
Speaker B:I was really excited to finally see it.
Speaker B:The movie started at 9:55.
Speaker B:That's the showtime beginning written everywhere.
Speaker B:I arrived at 9:55.
Speaker B:Now what is the common protocol for when a movie time says it starts at what time?
Speaker B:Does it really start at like 15.
Speaker D:Minutes after the start time?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I get there at 9:55.
Speaker B:The manager of the theater, I'm actually not gonna call it the theater on this particular situation, but this particular theater.
Speaker B:I arrive at 9:55.
Speaker B:The manager of the theater actually scans my little app that I have and tells me, oh, you're in theater.
Speaker B:So and so.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I actually stop and get soda.
Speaker B:I go into the theater 10 minutes afterwards.
Speaker B:I know how to time these things pretty well.
Speaker B:I know how long the trailers are.
Speaker B:At least 15 minutes of trailers.
Speaker B:Always.
Speaker B:I walk in there and all the lights are out and there's already a scene of like an intense driving scene already happening.
Speaker B:And I don't know what is going on.
Speaker B:I'm like, mike, this is not a trailer.
Speaker B:Like, oh man.
Speaker B:And it's already going.
Speaker B:And then like, I don't want to bother somebody.
Speaker B:Like, is this the movie?
Speaker B:What's going on?
Speaker B:And then like, I'm pissed off at this point.
Speaker B:So I walk out and there actually is a woman walking by that is working out.
Speaker B:Is this the 9:55 of disclosure day?
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah.
Speaker B:I'm like, where there's no trailers?
Speaker B:What's going on?
Speaker B:Oh, no, no.
Speaker B:The final screening of the night, there are no trailers.
Speaker B:Like, since then.
Speaker B:That is not a thing.
Speaker B:And I have come to this theater, like, for 20 years and plenty of times.
Speaker B:It was the last screening of the night, and there were always, like, at least 15, 18 minutes of trailers.
Speaker B:So I'm like, well, Now I'm already 15 minutes into this.
Speaker B:I'm not going to miss the first 15 minutes of this movie.
Speaker B:I feel like there's probably critical information.
Speaker B:I'm not that kind of person.
Speaker B:I can't enjoy a movie otherwise.
Speaker B:Yeah, can I see the manager?
Speaker B:Maybe they can give me a voucher or something to see something else.
Speaker B:And I go to the front desk, and he's really nice guy.
Speaker B:This is why I'm not gonna.
Speaker B:You know, I could say the theater.
Speaker B:But anyways, I.
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, really?
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:He also reiterates that, yeah, last screening of the night, we skipped the trailers.
Speaker B:I'm like, that is so weird, because I never have heard of that, but whatever.
Speaker B:And I pick another movie.
Speaker B:I actually.
Speaker B:Only thing I could see was Back Rooms, so I ended up seeing Back rooms.
Speaker B:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker B:It was fine, but nothing great.
Speaker B: for Back Rooms, which was at: Speaker B:I go in at.
Speaker B: I go in at: Speaker B:I'm waiting 20 minutes through trailers.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker D:No way.
Speaker B:Ridiculous.
Speaker D:You know what?
Speaker D:Maybe they were cut.
Speaker D:They were.
Speaker D:Maybe they were covering for something in that room, like, with that specific projection.
Speaker D:They needed to reset something.
Speaker D:So they just made, like, made up a kind of.
Speaker D:You know what I mean?
Speaker D:Like, it just.
Speaker D:That sounds ridiculous.
Speaker B:Well, in the end.
Speaker D:So you.
Speaker D:So in the end, you have not seen Disclosure Day.
Speaker B:I have not seen this because even.
Speaker D:Though I wanted to say fascinating.
Speaker D:So that.
Speaker D:So the opinion I just gave, like, means s. Like, it means nothing yet, because there's no.
Speaker D:That's hilarious.
Speaker D:I didn't.
Speaker D:I thought your story was going to be about your opinion of the movie.
Speaker D:That was unexpected.
Speaker B:Now, that is podcasting saw 20 seconds of a period of like, 12 minutes to about 12 and a half minutes of it, because that's all I've seen.
Speaker E:Yep.
Speaker D:Interesting.
Speaker D:And you're like, what the hell's going on here?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:That is my review of Disclosure Day.
Speaker D:That's awesome.
Speaker B:I don't feel like talking about backgrounds, so we're gonna move on.
Speaker B:It was either that or scary movie 17, and I wasn't gonna see that.
Speaker B:Let's get to our discussion of the Apostle.
Speaker B:And I have a trailer and a plot synopsis.
Speaker B:Let's start with the Plot synopsis, and this is a really short, simple one that I found just scattered about the Internet somewhere here.
Speaker B:After his happy life spins out of control, a preacher from Texas changes his name, goes to Louisiana, and starts preaching on the radio to a small Southern town.
Speaker D:He came as a stranger.
Speaker E:So why are you from?
Speaker B:From.
Speaker C:You name it, I've been there.
Speaker E:I got a little bit everywhere.
Speaker C:I sound like my first two wives.
Speaker D:Marked by a mystery.
Speaker E:Well, I'm the apostle ef, Believe it or not, the Lord sent me to.
Speaker B:Have fellowship with you.
Speaker E:You say God led you to me, not to anybody else.
Speaker E:Yes, sir.
Speaker E:I do believe that.
Speaker A:Yes, sir.
Speaker E:Why should I trust you?
Speaker B:The Lord knows what you could have.
Speaker E:Been or done in the past.
Speaker D:Haunted by a secret.
Speaker E:I don't want to live like this anymore because of my wander nigh and wicked, wicked ways.
Speaker E:I certainly know as much about what.
Speaker D:You do and have done as you think I do.
Speaker D:And touched by a power since I was a little boy, you brought me.
Speaker E:Back from the dead.
Speaker E:I'm your servant.
Speaker B:What kind of preacher are you anyway?
Speaker E:You name it, I can do it.
Speaker E:You will see and you will see.
Speaker E:We gonna have a holy ghost explosion.
Speaker E:We got the keys to the K. I'm on my way.
Speaker B:Sam, you want to go?
Speaker D:I think that was.
Speaker D:I think that was Dave nodding that he really wanted to.
Speaker B:He's like, unless.
Speaker D:Unless I misinterpreted it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:You want me to go?
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, I've been talking a.
Speaker C:Lot, but the host should go.
Speaker B:All right, fine.
Speaker B:Okay, so I'll begin by saying.
Speaker B:So a little backstory.
Speaker B:I do distinctly remember.
Speaker B:I remember the buzz surrounding this movie, you know, back in 98, during the Academy Awards season.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I remember just this was a big thing back then and all the praise around Duvall and, you know, he was receiving for the performance.
Speaker B:But I know that it didn't have a big release, so I didn't see until later in the spring when I did hit video stores.
Speaker B:And I was actually working at West Coast Video at the time, so I was waiting to take it out.
Speaker B:But what I do remember is that we only had one copy of this movie in stock, which was constantly on reserve for like, three months.
Speaker B:So I had to wait what felt like an eternity before I had a chance to see it.
Speaker B:So I think that might say something.
Speaker B:The word had gotten out that this movie was worth waiting for.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:When I eventually did see it, though, I remember thinking it was fine.
Speaker B:You know, I don't.
Speaker B:I wasn't Quite sure what the hype was about.
Speaker B: this, but to be fair, this is: Speaker B:So it was a different time.
Speaker E:So.
Speaker E:But.
Speaker B:But I think fast forward.
Speaker B:So this week I watched this again with my old curmudgeony eyes.
Speaker B:And I think more than anything, I came away just with just a tremendous amount of respect for this film, more than anything.
Speaker B:And again, I'm in awe of Robert Duvall, what he's doing here.
Speaker B:I think this is absolutely one of his pillar tour de force performances.
Speaker B:And I forgot so much about this movie.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:I think it's just even more remarkable knowing that, you know, he's directing this.
Speaker B:He wrote this.
Speaker B:He wrote this, I think, in the early 80s or so.
Speaker B:So this was something that was sitting on the shelf for a long time.
Speaker B:And I think it's just a great example of.
Speaker B:Of auteur, you know, creating something very personal, which we don't get that much.
Speaker B:So I don't.
Speaker B:I think it's a beautiful film, but I do have some gripes that we'll get into.
Speaker B:And I think.
Speaker B:I do think this film meanders a little bit.
Speaker B:It's kind of long.
Speaker B:I don't usually complain about the length of movies, but I did feel the length a little bit.
Speaker B:I think it could have been trimmed down, and I do.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's a minor, petty complaint, but we'll get into it.
Speaker B:But for the most part, I did enjoy it.
Speaker B:I realized, though I went into my thoughts on this, we kind of skipped over some of our initial movie facts and other things that we usually go over.
Speaker B:But because this was nominated for Best Actor for Robert Duvall, who lost to Jack Nicholson for as Good As It Gets.
Speaker B:That was right.
Speaker B:That was the 1 Cavity Award nomination that it did get.
Speaker B:I remember that.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker D:I do remember that.
Speaker D:And it did.
Speaker D:Like, it had a budget of 5 million and made 21 million.
Speaker D:So it was not a failure, but just like, not a hit.
Speaker D:I mean, just a modest.
Speaker D:Like, I don't know what the advertising budget was, but there was, you know, it was like, probably a decent success.
Speaker B:I did look at Box Office Mojo, and it came out, like, only, like, four theaters in late December.
Speaker B:The same.
Speaker B:Came out the same day as Titanic did and all those big releases.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it was like a really minor release, but then it got a big push in February, so right before wards the Academy Awards push.
Speaker B:And so Considering that, I think it got released in, like, 400 or 500 theaters around then.
Speaker B:So it did okay when we started getting that push behind it.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think that's actually when I saw it was when it got that push.
Speaker C:Although I remember, I think, actually went to an IFC screening of the film when we were first in la, probably before we met Nathan.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: Because at that time, to: Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, when I first got to LA, I went to, like, they were.
Speaker C:IFC was not what it is now.
Speaker C:And you.
Speaker C:As I remember, you could buy a year membership for, like, $50.
Speaker C:And they were doing screenings every month, and I was like, oh, well, shoot, let me, you know, let me do this.
Speaker C:And I still remember getting.
Speaker C:There was like a.
Speaker C:They produced like a.
Speaker C:The format was like what the Hollywood Reporter is now.
Speaker C:You know, it's a fairly large magazine.
Speaker C:And there was a.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:There was a picture of Duvall from the Apostle on the COVID And that's how I became became aware of it.
Speaker C:I saw it in the theater, and I think, like I told you guys, I mean, like, my experience growing up was I grew up in Memphis, and my father and my grandparents were Southern Baptist, but my mother, being from the Philippines, she was Catholic.
Speaker C:And so I went to a Catholic school Monday through Friday, but on Sundays and occasionally on Wednesday nights, I had to go to Southern Baptist Church with my dad and my grandparents.
Speaker C:So that whole Southern evangelical thing, I got microdosed into that when I was a kid, if I'm honest with you.
Speaker C:So, you know, so the whole, I guess what people would say, the Holy Roller part of the apostle thing, I understood, you know, where it was coming from.
Speaker C:You know, I mean, I will, you know, I'll put you both at ease and tell you that I never really embraced it.
Speaker C:And frankly, as a small child, it kind of frightened me, you know, because you have these guys up on stage in a pulpit and, you know, doing the whole, like, you know, speaking in tongues and holding the Bible up and the Holy Spirit and all of this kind of stuff, which was, you know, wildly different from, you know, Monday through Friday you go to Catholic school, and one day a week, you know, you're supposed to go to Catholic Mass, which is a really subdued thing compared to an evangelical, you know, church experience, so.
Speaker D:Oh, man.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:But having said that, I understood, you know, and I appreciated.
Speaker C:I guess I appreciated Duvall's.
Speaker C:His character's, you know, search for redemption and, you know, his.
Speaker C:His journey, you know, his character's journey of faith.
Speaker C:And I think I had explained to you guys before that, you know, that there's some ways in which Duvall, in his multiple roles, is like both policeman, which, full disclosure, my father was a policeman, and then also his, you know, kind of the faith that he grew up in.
Speaker C:You know, there were these striking similarities between the two of them, which, you know, if I had, you know, if the stars had aligned and I'd had my way and I'd been able to write the screenplay about my father that I would like to write, I would have had Duvall play him, you know, back at that time, just because the roles that he played, both in the Apostle, where he is a flawed but fundamentally, you know, from my perspective, good man.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm thinking about the scenes where, you know, he's confronting Billy Bob Thornton's character and, you know, and there's the whole, you know, racism, confrontation thing, and he's trying to do the right thing.
Speaker C:You know, I recognize that.
Speaker C:I recognize that.
Speaker C:Good decency, you know, and then the other roles where, you know, that Duvall, you know, where he plays policeman in, like, colors, you know, and then in the one.
Speaker C:And you guys, really.
Speaker C:I feel like you guys nailed it in your last podcast, you know, in Falling down, where he plays the cop, that.
Speaker C:Which I also got to see because my dad was a detective, you know, and he was a detective until he retired.
Speaker C:So he was kind of that whole, you know, not the cowboy cop, but the.
Speaker C:What they called the, you know, the desk jockey, investigator, you know, kind of guy, you know, until.
Speaker C:Until he retired.
Speaker C:So, you know, I understood.
Speaker C:I understood that, you know, that aspect of it, too.
Speaker C:And I realize I've taken this probably a little bit out of discussing the film, and maybe instead of discussing Duvall's career, which I don't know if that was.
Speaker C:Sorry, Mia culpa.
Speaker D: .: Speaker C:Oh, an interesting little footnote to that.
Speaker C:The earnest movies.
Speaker C:The actor and I, Jim Varney, I believe, was the character, was the name of the actor.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So Jim Varney started out doing local television ads in Memphis in that character.
Speaker E:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Which is.
Speaker C:Which is a weird thing, because it was like, you know, you'd see him, I'd see Him as a kid doing these commercials for both, like, I don't know, it could either be for, like, local television stations or lawn companies or lawyers in that character.
Speaker C:And it was just kind of this joke.
Speaker C:But then Hollywood comes a calling, and Ernest Goes to Camp and Beverly Hillbillies, and it was one of these, like, how the hell did that happen?
Speaker B:But, you know, you can find those commercials on YouTube.
Speaker B:And when we reviewed Ernest Goes to Camp a couple of summers ago, and I went deep in deep.
Speaker B:It's a deep well of finding Jim Varney clips from his early career on YouTube.
Speaker B:It was really fascinating.
Speaker B:And he has, like, music career, too, I think.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:He's actually really a good singer.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:I'll say every once in a while in Memphis, you know, if you run into someone of a certain age, not older than me, but you run into someone that knew him or that spent time with him or whatever, and it's kind of.
Speaker C:It's nice, but it's a little weird.
Speaker C:It's like someone will make a joke.
Speaker C:Oh, you know, I do.
Speaker C:Jim Varney.
Speaker C:Oh, boy.
Speaker C:Okay, here we go.
Speaker C:Here's the story, you know, Anyway.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I did not have a Jim Varney discussion on my bingo card tonight, so this is great.
Speaker C:Oh, boy.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Sam, did you have.
Speaker B:Share some thoughts on the Apostle?
Speaker D:I like the movie, and so did the Holy Ghost.
Speaker D:Anyway, had to do it.
Speaker E:Had to do it.
Speaker D:I just.
Speaker D:I was holding that inside for a while, and I was like, you know, it's gonna, like, in the spirit.
Speaker D:No, I was.
Speaker D:I had not seen the movie before I'd heard about it.
Speaker D:I was aware of it in 97, 98, when it came out.
Speaker D:At the age that I was.
Speaker D:I was enamored with Tomorrow Never Dies and Titanic as well.
Speaker D:And so that kind of, like, was my zeitgeist at the time.
Speaker D:But I. I do remember hearing about it at award season, and I was interested in it, and then that was the last I heard of it.
Speaker D:For me personally, not out of disinterest, just because, like, I. I missed it, but having watched it recently, I can really understand why it got genuinely, like, good reviews, is because 1.
Speaker D:Robert Duvall's performance is so good.
Speaker D:But I also felt that having.
Speaker D:I enjoyed his directing because when it comes to the preacher and.
Speaker D:And, like, the Apostle and what he's doing, I liked how his directing, for the most part, didn't make a commentary one way or the other.
Speaker D:It was just like, this is what this character does with his time.
Speaker D:We're gonna Watch long segments in real time of like cherry picking events from his life.
Speaker D:Because of that style, it allowed for like a lot of organic acting moments and character moments.
Speaker D:So I overall like, liked it.
Speaker D:I appreciate it.
Speaker D:Appreciated it.
Speaker D:I will say I agree with Nathan about the length and some things being long and like minor spoiler alert.
Speaker D:I thought the end scene of his like last church going experience when all the police were like surrounding the church, that to me felt a little like milked as much as it could be.
Speaker D:I emotionally, I liked it, but I just thought that was like, that's where I was like feeling length and I was like, I know, I know.
Speaker D:Say goodbye to everyone.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's like it was just felt a little bit like kind of grandstanding a little bit.
Speaker D:But I understood, I understood its function in the story.
Speaker D:But overall I like solidly enjoy it.
Speaker D:I thought it was good.
Speaker D:I thought it deserved the accolades, you know, best actor nomination that it got.
Speaker D:So I was like, for the most part positive.
Speaker D:I'd say like three and a half stars for me.
Speaker B:We're doing our ratings now.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, I don't care.
Speaker B:You are good.
Speaker E:Good.
Speaker B:And you know, I think it was brought up a couple times.
Speaker B:Is that what I think is unique about this, is that I think is the Pentecostalism.
Speaker B:Is that what this is called?
Speaker B:The type of preaching?
Speaker B:I was doing research on this.
Speaker B:Pentecostal churches.
Speaker C:I think you're correct.
Speaker C:I think either.
Speaker C:I think it falls under Pentecostal and.
Speaker C:Or evangelical.
Speaker B:Okay, Evangelical use interchangeably.
Speaker B:I think when I was looking at.
Speaker C:It, there's possibly a splitting hairs of like, you know, that someone could tell, but.
Speaker C:But I'm not the person to be able to tell you the difference because they seem, yeah, the same or similar to me.
Speaker B:Interesting is that, you know, Robert Duvall self funded this movie.
Speaker B:Number one.
Speaker B:This movie would never been made by a studio.
Speaker B:And if Hollywood is going to portray evangelical, this religion, it would have been done either as showing it as like a dangerous cult or as comic relief typically.
Speaker B:And I love that, you know, Duvall's doing neither here.
Speaker B:He clearly loves these people.
Speaker B:And you know, you got the music, you've got the, you know, so much detail in this, the emotion.
Speaker B:And he's speaking in tongues and nothing feels ironic about what's what the story in this.
Speaker B:As I'm watching this, I'm just kind of in awe because this is just something that you don't see in a Hollywood film ever with the subject matter treated with respect like this and not mocking it.
Speaker D:That's What I like about it because it's like he's not.
Speaker D:He's not mocking it, but he's also not directing it in a way that's being like, agree with this.
Speaker D:This is the way like, like, I like that.
Speaker D:His interpretation, he's presenting it and then as like the audience member.
Speaker D:You sort of bring your own thoughts or beliefs to it and you can interpret it the way you want, but the movie is just like presenting this flawed character who on the one hand is doing like all these amazing things and bring these people together and on the other hand has such a temperament that it act that he actually murdered someone.
Speaker D:So it's like, I dislike how it just.
Speaker D:It just presents it like you're saying Nathan, but it just doesn't.
Speaker D:It doesn't.
Speaker D:It's not like, think this or think that.
Speaker D:Like, the movie doesn't guide you to feel a certain way.
Speaker D:It's just open.
Speaker D:That's what I like about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, we're.
Speaker B:We're in a world where there are, you know, faith based movies have become very like its own niche now.
Speaker B:And I never thought of this as a faith based movie.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:I feel like this is a character study more than anything.
Speaker D:100%.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker B:I don't usually watch movies, but it was like Affirmed Studios or whatever.
Speaker B:You know, there's a lot of those movies that, that get marketed that way.
Speaker B:And that's not what this is.
Speaker B:And I like that we.
Speaker B:The main character is someone that is extremely flawed, but he even admits and is aware of his sins and his flaws and.
Speaker B:But he's not almost, not even.
Speaker B:I mean, he even understands that he's a hypocrite.
Speaker D:When you mentioned the production company, I just wanted to say, because I hadn't seen the film before and I thought this was funny.
Speaker D:A company called October Films produced this movie.
Speaker D:And when the movie starts, it says October in huge letters before it says the word film.
Speaker D:And so I thought, oh, okay, the movie is starting in October.
Speaker D:And they.
Speaker D:And Duvall wants us to know that it's like, nope, it's the production company name.
Speaker D:How did his wife.
Speaker D:Did his like, wife find out where he was?
Speaker D:Because of the radio station.
Speaker D:Like, that was a bit ambiguous for me.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker B:That is interesting because I.
Speaker B:Okay, I'll tell you how I read it.
Speaker B:I want to hear what you guys think because, you know, Jesse Fairfawcett, I'd like to actually get your thoughts on what you thought of her performance at some point.
Speaker B:But Farrah Fawcett's in, is playing Robert Duvall's wife.
Speaker B:And she hears on the radio after he's gone to Louisiana to start his life over.
Speaker B:It's not even Robert Duvall's voice.
Speaker B:I watched the scene now three times.
Speaker B:I actually pulled up on YouTube to watch this and it's actually Rick Dial Elmo's voice that's coming through and references the apostle ef so Robert Duvall, Sonny's voice is not even coming through in the radio.
Speaker B:But Jesse reacts to it in a way that is.
Speaker B:Makes me think that, oh, she's the one that called the cops.
Speaker B:I thought this after I watched it a few times.
Speaker B:However, my initial take was when I watched this is that it was Walton Goggins, who I call Baby Goggins in this because he's such a baby face in this that I thought it was Baby Goggins that called the cops because you see him standing outside the window while he's kind of confessing to Pastor Blackwell.
Speaker B:I think it is.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:During that final sermon.
Speaker B:He looks like he's guilt ridden throughout that whole thing.
Speaker B:And I, and I, I guess there's a couple interpretations.
Speaker B:One, he, his.
Speaker B:His faith in Sony has been destroyed because of what he admitted, or he is guilty because he did call the cops and he's going.
Speaker B:And he's very emotional because now he feels bad about and he's.
Speaker B:And that was my initial take that it was Walton Goggins that called the police.
Speaker B:But I think it might supposed to be ambiguous, but I think there's a line that makes me want to think that it's Goggins because I think that Sonny knows it was Goggins.
Speaker B:I'm just going to keep on Goggins because there's a line that I really love where while he's in go mode, he says something like, and you're going to heaven and I'm going to jail.
Speaker B:And something about that right there just solidified the idea that he was locked in with him, that he knows that it was him and he forgives him for it.
Speaker B:For some reason, I feel like he knew all along that he turned him in.
Speaker B:I don't know why, but that's.
Speaker B:At least I want to think that because I.
Speaker B:Because it feels more wrapped up and it's a better redemptive moment maybe with him knowing that the person that turned him in is that he can forgive him as well.
Speaker B:And I feel like that's what he thought he was doing somehow.
Speaker B:So it'd be weird and it's just.
Speaker B:But it is kind of interesting that Jesse had that moment where the radio station comes through, like, from Louisiana to Texas, which is almost interesting because it's almost like a divine type of thing that would have happened, you know, like the world, God kind of writing everything, you know, so it's kind of left ambiguous.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:What did you guys think?
Speaker D:Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker D:Like, I.
Speaker D:That's a good.
Speaker D:I like that interpretation.
Speaker C:The thing.
Speaker D:What's interesting to me is, like, when I saw that scene with her, with Farrah Fawcett, there were.
Speaker D:There's a couple strange things.
Speaker D:One, like, the radio comes in on a frequency kind of like, it, like, comes out of focus as.
Speaker D:Almost as if I got the sense that she'd been.
Speaker D:That she'd somehow discovered this, like, radio station before in a scene that was not shown.
Speaker D:And this was a later thing where, like, all of a sudden the radio comes back into focus and she hears it.
Speaker D:And then in that specific thing, yes, the, like, the other guy mentions ef but he also mentions where they are or something like that.
Speaker D:And so I thought she perked up and was, like, all, like, that all shook up because she got the missing piece of information.
Speaker D:And the way I interpreted it was she called.
Speaker D:I. I honestly went through the end thinking she had called the police.
Speaker D:And for.
Speaker D:For one second, I literally thought that, like, Scoggins, he had this crazy facial expression that was so, like, emotional.
Speaker D:I thought he was gonna.
Speaker D:For one split second, I thought he was gonna stand up and shoot.
Speaker D:Shoot Robert Duvall, like, in.
Speaker D:In front of all those people.
Speaker D:And, like, because he always looked, like, disturbed or shy.
Speaker D:And I was like, he's going to explode.
Speaker D:And then it was when it was an emotional moment.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:I. I don't know if it was guilt.
Speaker D:It was more just him finally accepting him and, like, understanding the power of the Apostle.
Speaker D:The apostle.
Speaker D:So, like, I don't know.
Speaker D:And for what it's worth, this doesn't count.
Speaker D:Like, I. I think it would be great if it was him.
Speaker D:I just googled.
Speaker D:I said, who calls the cops on Apostle EF and the AI Overview, the wife.
Speaker D:I don't know if, like, we should trust that or.
Speaker D:But it was ambiguous.
Speaker D:I agree.
Speaker D:I'm not sure your theory works, Nathan.
Speaker D:Like, in some ways, it even makes more sense.
Speaker D:It's just that scene with her specifically felt vague on purpose.
Speaker D:But she was so dialed up in that scene, I thought, what am I missing here?
Speaker D:Because she wasn't acting like, oh, I'm noticing a strange signal for the first time.
Speaker D:She was like, this.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker D:That's it.
Speaker D:I was like, what's it?
Speaker D:I didn't know you were looking for him.
Speaker B:The other thing that I was confused about, the name the Apostle EF is mentioned.
Speaker B:I don't think that's a name that she would, Would she know who that is?
Speaker D:No, because he invented it afterward, after he left.
Speaker B:So that's all that's mentioned, is the name the Apostle EF, LA.
Speaker B:She somehow put two and two together.
Speaker B:Oh, that's sunny.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:How she made that connection in a split second while she's, like, helping her kids do something.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:And her reaction is so strong, like, oh, my God, he's in Louisiana.
Speaker B:Like, I'm just like, huh.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I, I, it doesn't really work for me.
Speaker B:I don't like it if that's what we're supposed to take away from.
Speaker D:And that's why my mind was subconsciously filling in the blank and making my own perceived backstory, because I needed a bit more.
Speaker D:I needed a more connective tissue.
Speaker D:And I thought, oh, maybe this is, like, the tail end of something that was happening with her off screen that we don't know about.
Speaker D:And it's purposefully mysterious for directorial ambiguousness.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm guessing that in post she was supposed to hear something else, like, maybe, like, why didn't she hear Robert Duvall's voice?
Speaker B:Why was that choice made?
Speaker D:Yeah, that would have been crystal clear.
Speaker D:If she heard his voice and, like, dropped her coffee cup and it, like, pushed it out.
Speaker D:Like, that would have been like, oh, my God, I'm scared.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because her react.
Speaker B:So anyway, we're talking in circles here, but, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's ambiguous.
Speaker B:But that's how I.
Speaker B:When I thought about it.
Speaker E:But.
Speaker D:And did he see her at the.
Speaker D:Did he see Farrah Fawcett at the restaurant with their two kids?
Speaker D:Or were they a couple that looked like the two kids?
Speaker B:Miranda Richardson, the toosie.
Speaker B:That he was working at the restaurant.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker B:He was dating, which I feel I actually like that relationship that he was starting to grow.
Speaker B:And it was interest.
Speaker B:Interesting, because he is, you know, he's probably twice her age also, which is funny.
Speaker B:But, yeah, he is respectful but kind of forward with her.
Speaker B:I thought it was an interesting scene in the car.
Speaker B:That's when he was like, how am.
Speaker D:I doing so far?
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can't ask that, you know, so he's.
Speaker B:He's very.
Speaker B:A little handsy with her, but at the same time, he does know to back away and doesn't take it too far.
Speaker B:You know, when I thought about this movie a lot there when he was in Texas, and when he comes to Louisiana, there is definitely a change in him.
Speaker B:And I think, you know, we skipped over the baptism scene, which was interesting, because he not only changes his name, he really does.
Speaker B:I mean, it is trying to be a redemption story, you know, but it's not really.
Speaker B:He's kind of refusing easy redemption.
Speaker B:I feel like when he was in Texas, he was much more of a grandstanding type of preacher.
Speaker B:It was really much, really about him.
Speaker B:He had the fancy car.
Speaker B:I think when he went to Louisiana, he was really building something from the grassroots.
Speaker B:He was hammering in nails.
Speaker B:He was building a community.
Speaker B:And it didn't feel like so much that it was so much about him as it was when he was in Texas.
Speaker D:I thought he was a compelling character, but also a very intense character with character flaws.
Speaker D:And his character is definitely not a guy that I would want to be, like, stuck with in a long line at McDonald's in, like, a drive through, you know, Like, I think he'd.
Speaker D:I'd be afraid he'd, like, blow his top, like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And every once in a while in.
Speaker C:In the south, you know, you'll.
Speaker C:You'll run into someone like that.
Speaker C:You know, you'll run into someone that will, you know, like, have you heard?
Speaker C:You know, and it's always like, you know, have you heard the good news?
Speaker C:And then, you know, mentally, my.
Speaker C:My eyeballs just roll into my head.
Speaker C:Here we go.
Speaker C:You know, because it's like.
Speaker C:And then what I started to tell Nathan is that there was a thing in high school where me and a bunch of my buddies were at some.
Speaker C:We were at some bar, which there was a.
Speaker C:You know, back at that time, there were.
Speaker C:There were bars that would kind of, like, look the other way even if, you know, if you were.
Speaker C:You know, if you were under 21.
Speaker C:And I happened to be in one of these places with a buddy of mine who was Jewish, and a bunch of the holy rollers came in, and they came in, and they.
Speaker C:They were, like.
Speaker C:Started the whole thing of, have you heard the good news?
Speaker C:You know, they wanted to share.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:They wanted to tell y' all about Jesus.
Speaker C:And my buddy, you know, was like, well, I'm Jewish.
Speaker C:Then they started to like, oh, Boy, did they really try to land this one.
Speaker C:Because if you can convert, you know, if you convert a Jewish guy, that.
Speaker C:That must be like, you get a double plus gold star or something, you know, so that's.
Speaker C:It's part of the culture.
Speaker C:But I thought I would mention something that I had read about Duvall, was that.
Speaker C:So he grew up with church.
Speaker C:I mean, he grew up, like, in Annapolis, Maryland, going to a Methodist church, and his mother was a Christian Scientist.
Speaker C:But then at some point, when he was cast in an off Broadway play, he went to a church in the character's hometown of Hughes, Arkansas, and he went to a Pentecostal service, which was the first time that he'd ever actually seen a Pentecostal church service.
Speaker C:And he thought.
Speaker C:He thought of it at that time.
Speaker C:He thought of it and saw it as a genuine, quote, unquote, American art form.
Speaker C:He thought it was like, you know, almost like, you know, you'd say, like it was like an indigenous form of theater or culture that he thought was worthy of portraying.
Speaker C:And, you know, thinking about that and the whole, you know, like, the run of all the characters that, you know, Duvall has played in his character, he's, you know, if you look.
Speaker C:And I'm sure we all have, you know, if you think about, you know, from, you know, from the small parts that he's played to the larger roles that he's played, it really kind of took him a lifetime of preparation, you know, for this role in particular, you know, for, you know, to play such a.
Speaker C:You know, I mean, like, when you're saying, I absolutely agree.
Speaker C:Character study, because you're talking about a character that is flawed and complex and, you know, just like, you know, riddled with issues and problems, you know, not unlike if you look at, like, the lives of the.
Speaker C:Of the early apostles and the saints.
Speaker C:Those guys were not.
Speaker C:They weren't all walking on water.
Speaker C:No matter what you may have heard in Sunday school or didn't hear in Sunday school, he.
Speaker D:He might not be friends with his character and.
Speaker D:Tender mercies.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Certainly not in the Godfather.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I can only imagine if the Great Santini had met son, he probably would have punched him in the throat, but.
Speaker E:Oh, man.
Speaker C:You know, but it's a. Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, but on the other hand, I could see, like, as the.
Speaker C:As the executive in network, if he'd been the executive network, he would have been like, we've got to get this on television, you know.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker C:Like, how could we monetize this?
Speaker C:You know, how Many.
Speaker C:How many?
Speaker C:You know, what's the.
Speaker C:Give me the numbers for the.
Speaker C:For the Christian market.
Speaker C:You know, something like that, you know, which is like terrible and slightly evil, but also kind of genius.
Speaker C:And we all know that it's probably going on at several networks and streaming services right now.
Speaker C:Maybe, maybe.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't know that, but.
Speaker B:So let me ask, just bring this back to you, possibly.
Speaker B:Do you think Sonny is redeemed in this movie in the end?
Speaker D:Sort of.
Speaker D:But in some ways you could interpret it as he just got caught and is like trying to make the best of it, you know, I mean, I, I don't know if there's a full redemption.
Speaker D:I, I think it's more like reality set in and like now he's got to do time, but he's like.
Speaker D:Certainly had a good send off to jail.
Speaker D:You know what I mean?
Speaker D:Like, I, I mean, there, there's like, there's a redemption element.
Speaker D:There may be an arc.
Speaker D:But as to like.
Speaker D:Well, maybe he's.
Speaker D:I don't know, It's.
Speaker D:To me, it's a little ambiguous,.
Speaker E:I.
Speaker C:Think, probably, you know, but it's hard to say.
Speaker C:I will say again, you know, leaning in on my Catholic history, there's a long and storied history of, you know, church fathers and saints that get sent to prison, so.
Speaker D:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, so in that aspect, you know, sure.
Speaker C:But the interesting thing is that, you know, what you see in that end scene where he's with, you know, the chain gang, work, you know, the road gang or whatever, and he's, you know, he's preaching and singing and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker C:It's like, well, he doesn't seem to be despairing and he doesn't seem to have like lost his face.
Speaker C:If anything, he seems to be fulsome in that, you know, like, you know, yes, I'm in prison and chained, you know, to a, you know, a work gang and probably, you know, one of the worst situations, but yet he's still singing the praises of the Lord.
Speaker C:You know, I like that it doesn't.
Speaker B:End with him in prison and it still kind of ends with him having some purpose.
Speaker B:You know, he's.
Speaker B:He's lost his freedom and he's lost his church, his family, but he hasn't lost the thing that defines him.
Speaker D:Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker D:It would have been so, like, tonality wise inappropriate if like the last shot was him like in solitary confinement, like doused in blue light like this be terrible.
Speaker D:But I, I just want to say that I was really gl that I saw that end credit scene where, like, his faith came to jail with him.
Speaker D:Because I rented this on streaming, and anytime you watch anything on streaming, the second it gets to the credits, it tries to rush you to the next video and you have to, like, click on, choose watch credits, and that always annoys me.
Speaker D:And yes, I almost clicked out.
Speaker D:And then I saw that scene of him, like, with, like, the other prisoners, like, working by the side of the road, and I was like, man, I'm glad I saw that.
Speaker D:That was, like, important to know.
Speaker D:Like, I almost missed that, you know?
Speaker B: this is a mid credit scene in: Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, think about that for a moment.
Speaker E:That was like.
Speaker C:It was weird.
Speaker D:I was like, what is going on here?
Speaker B:Yeah, what is this?
Speaker B:Like, Marvel?
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:They based the entire MCU on the apostle, the whole mid credits.
Speaker E:Maybe they did.
Speaker D:That would have been like, if Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever had, like, a post credit scene, that would have been nuts.
Speaker D:Like,.
Speaker C:Yeah, Try to get that cast all together at a falafel restaurant, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Anyway.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:You feel?
Speaker E:We feel good.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We talked it out, huh?
Speaker D:Apostle tastic.
Speaker B:Apostle tasty.
Speaker B:All right, let's.
Speaker B:Then we'll take a little housekeeping break.
Speaker B:We'll come back and do our little final thoughts rating and our verdict.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker E:Rye will do, provided it gets here quick.
Speaker C:Darn cowboys.
Speaker C:Ought to broom yourselves off before you walk in here.
Speaker C:Get all the sand we need without the cut.
Speaker C:Customers bringing it in.
Speaker C:That'll be a dollar.
Speaker E:Now, besides, the whiskey, I think will require a little respect.
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Speaker D:What was that a clip from?
Speaker D:That was at the intermission there.
Speaker D:What.
Speaker D:What Robert Tuval movie was that?
Speaker B:That was from Lonesome Dove.
Speaker D:That's so funny because I didn't know the context.
Speaker D:It's just like her glasses, like slapping out, like punching and like violent.
Speaker D:Like something was.
Speaker D:I was just like, whoa.
Speaker B:I've actually never watched it.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker B:It was something I did want to watch.
Speaker B:This spring, while we were doing all these Robert Duvall movies, I did catch up on a few.
Speaker B:So my little sidebar.
Speaker B:My daughter's big into theater right now, my younger daughter, and she just wrapped up Wonka Jr and immediately is cast in Newsies.
Speaker B: her audition, we watched the: Speaker B:And I didn't even know Robert Duvall is in it, playing.
Speaker B:He plays like the big bad.
Speaker B:The big baddie.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:I didn't know that either.
Speaker D:I've never seen that whole movie.
Speaker D:I've seen clips like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And it was like, oh, this is perfect.
Speaker B:So I got even more Duval.
Speaker B:He plays a really kind of evil.
Speaker D:I do remember that Newsies gave ET A run for its money at the box office.
Speaker D:ET no, it was a joke because it like it did really badly in the theater.
Speaker D:Like being a cruel producer, like number counter type.
Speaker B:Yeah, right, right.
Speaker B:You know, I also didn't realize that.
Speaker B:I mean, I watched Newsies probably in the mid-90s back in the day.
Speaker B:I forget the actor's name, so forgive me, but obviously Christian Bale is in one of his early roles, but also the other leading actor.
Speaker B:Hold on, I'm gonna pull this up here.
Speaker B:And I didn't even know this was David Moscow, who most people know as blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:He plays young Josh Baskins in Big and I've never seen him in anything else.
Speaker B:Okay, so he's a little bit older.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:In this movie.
Speaker B:But yes, that's who.
Speaker B:The other lead actor in News East.
Speaker B:So yeah, it was kind of cool, like seeing this teenage version or 17 year old version of Josh Baskins.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I live in a theater world right now with my daughter.
Speaker B:She's just from one play to the next, one musical to the next.
Speaker D:Nice.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:All right, let's just wrap up our discussion here by just sharing our final thoughts, our rating, and our vault decision on the Apostle.
Speaker B:So I do think this is a unique film.
Speaker B:Like I said, I didn't grow up in a religious household, and I'm definitely far removed from the world of evangelical Protestant Christianity.
Speaker B:So, yeah, even though this film is completely immersed in this world, I never thought of it as faith based.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:Like I said, I don't.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:But I do think that this is a very pro faith movie, but I never thought there was an agenda behind it, and I never thought was being preached at, so.
Speaker B:And I think Duvall is phenomenal here, and I understand why the Academy did not give him the Oscar for Best Actor.
Speaker B:Although I suspect, you know, a movie this rooted in religion was always going to be a tough sell with voters.
Speaker B:Personally, I think this he should have won because.
Speaker B:But I'm not a Robert Duval complete, as there's still plenty of films in his oeuvre that I haven't seen.
Speaker B:But I've seen enough to say for me that I actually do think this may be his greatest acting achievement.
Speaker B:I mean, Tender Mercies is not far behind, and if you asked me a week ago, I said that's probably his best performance.
Speaker B:But I think right now, after really getting into this one, this is it.
Speaker B:Because where that movie is built on a lot of quiet restraint, Duvall is just unleashing the full range of what he's capable of in this film.
Speaker B:That said, I do think the overall story is comp.
Speaker B:You know, it's.
Speaker B:It's compelling, you know, because of the central performance.
Speaker B:But I don't know if the screenplay is top tier for me.
Speaker B:And I think a lot of the shortcomings are hidden by Duvall's acting.
Speaker B:And like I said, he's giving a tour de force performance, but.
Speaker B:And he's elevating every scene that he's in, of course.
Speaker B:But even so, I couldn't shake the feeling that the story could have been told just as effectively well under two hours.
Speaker B:And I felt the clock a lot in this film, and I do put that on Duvall as the writer and director because I think the film needed someone willing to tighten up the narrative and just rein in some of those indulgent moments.
Speaker B:It really is chewing a lot of scenery in this movie, and it could have.
Speaker B:Didn't need to, you know, we got the point, you know, at the Last hour and 25 minutes of this movie is a lot of the same indulgences going on here.
Speaker B: reminded me a lot of another: Speaker B:And both of you might remember this movie, and that is Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Which is I think a terrific hour, 45 minute film in there somewhere.
Speaker B:But it overstays its welcome and it keeps me from really truly loving it.
Speaker B:I think that's a Clint Eastwood movie and I have to revisit that at some point.
Speaker B:But I just remember like, just indulgent, but like, hey, let's make this tight.
Speaker B:So I never read the book.
Speaker B:I heard the book is a lot better.
Speaker B:So, you know, weighing all that together, I also waiting at three and a half out of five stars with this.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:I'm conflicted for sure.
Speaker B:And for.
Speaker B:I'll just go into my vault decision here.
Speaker B:So this is also one of the hardest vault decisions I've ever had to make on this podcast.
Speaker B:And I could be flippant and just, you know, throw it in because who cares?
Speaker B:But I do have standards.
Speaker B:So excuse me for filibustering here for a moment because I'm gonna explain myself because I think this is a good film.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:But is this a great film?
Speaker B:I don't think so.
Speaker B:I think this does have an outstanding Robert Duvall performance, quite possibly the greatest of his career.
Speaker B:But then I started asking myself a lot of other questions like, is this an important film?
Speaker B:Does every future generation need to see this?
Speaker B:And thinking maybe not.
Speaker B:But what it does do is say something uniquely American.
Speaker B:And it's about faith and redemption and violence and forgiveness and about flawed people doing the right thing while always getting in their own way.
Speaker B:So I honestly can't think of another film that looks at this world of Christianity with this level of respect either.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:We probably will put another dozen movies in the vault at some point that deal with religion, but I'm willing to bet most of them will be a tear down of it.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I like that this film is just observing it and it's letting these people just, you know, just exist as humans.
Speaker B:And I think that's worth preserving.
Speaker B:So on that merit, I feel like I'm voting yes to keep it in.
Speaker B:But it is really, I mean like True Lies was close.
Speaker B:That's, you know, this is like razor edge.
Speaker B:I could go either Way with this.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the apostle belongs in the Vault, right alongside Moonraker in the great outdoors.
Speaker B:Because apparently that's the neighborhood we have built.
Speaker D:It's a good neighborhood.
Speaker E:Okay.
Speaker D:So, yeah, no, so I. I, like, almost have, like, verbatim.
Speaker D:Nathan's opinion.
Speaker D:I like the movie.
Speaker D:I do think it is, like, a little indulgent.
Speaker D:I think it's good.
Speaker D:I think Robert Duvall's performance is the best thing about it.
Speaker D:I think when he just shows, like, the scenes and the churches in.
Speaker D:In his church in real time, I think they're excellent.
Speaker D:But I think there could have been, like, four of them instead of ten of them.
Speaker D:Like.
Speaker D:But it's just.
Speaker D:It's like there's a little too much, like, fat on the chicken.
Speaker D:But it's like.
Speaker D:It's really good.
Speaker D:It's really well made.
Speaker D:And I do appreciate the movie.
Speaker D:I give it three and a half stars as well.
Speaker D:I, for me, personally, would say no to the Vault just because I liked it, but I.
Speaker D:It doesn't.
Speaker D:You know, it's no Moonraker.
Speaker B:What is.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I can't.
Speaker D:I can't believe I just said that.
Speaker D:But so, yeah, very good movie.
Speaker D:Like Duvall's performance a lot.
Speaker D:I would say no to the Vault.
Speaker D:That's just me, because I say yes to everything.
Speaker D:And tonight I feel like I should be crueler.
Speaker C:So, look, as much as we're laughing at.
Speaker C:As we're laughing at Moonraker, which is a cherished part of my childhood, and, I mean, who doesn't love a film about a billionaire, possibly trillionaire space entrepreneur that is influencing nations and the geopolitical world?
Speaker B:Know anybody?
Speaker C:Where does Hollywood dream up such stuff?
Speaker C:It's just amazing.
Speaker D:It's crazy.
Speaker C:It's crazy how they would come up with.
Speaker C:I mean, it's just ridiculous, right?
Speaker C:And then you have to have, you know, James Bond spoil everything.
Speaker C:But I digress, as I want to do so.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And this is.
Speaker C:Maybe this is.
Speaker C:I feel like I'm falling in line, but I share both your rating and your feelings about the film.
Speaker C:I had this thought.
Speaker C:So it's like, you know, Nathan's thought in particular about, you know, is it a good film?
Speaker C:Yes, it is a good film.
Speaker C:And it is worth.
Speaker C:It is kind of emblematic.
Speaker C:Like, if I were teaching a course on Duvall, I would show my class this film.
Speaker C:Okay, but is it a great film as far as, like, you know, American cinematic history?
Speaker C:I would say it probably.
Speaker C:I hedge on, you know, that it's very good, but not great.
Speaker C:You'd Say, okay, well, give me an example.
Speaker C:Okay, There Will Be Blood, Paul Thomas Anderson, you know, in which.
Speaker C:In, you know, not the main character, but Paul Deno's character of.
Speaker C:What was the character's name?
Speaker C:Something.
Speaker C:Sunday.
Speaker C:Paul Sunday something.
Speaker B:Yeah, okay, Peter Sunday.
Speaker C:Anyway, so that whole Pentecostal religious religiosity thing, you know, as a motif, you know.
Speaker C:You know, it.
Speaker C:You know, I feel like it really puts that, you know, where it belongs as far as, like, a almost cinematic yet literary part of American history, you know.
Speaker C:You know, as a matter of fact.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, I would.
Speaker C:You know, I would.
Speaker C:That's how I would compare the two.
Speaker C:And there could.
Speaker C:And also what you're.
Speaker C:We were talking about, you know, the idea that the film is directed by, you know, a writer, director, actor, you know, and there could probably be a whole series of.
Speaker C:There could be a whole podcast just on, you know, films that have been, you know, written by, you know, written and.
Speaker C:Or directed by an actor, director.
Speaker C:And someone would, you know, would ask me, like, well, what's.
Speaker C:Okay, but what is the point of that?
Speaker C:And I would say, okay, well, the point of that is, is that in the movie, I think It's Fred Scapezi, Six Degrees of Separation, which came out in 93.
Speaker C:There's the character in that of Donald Sutherland, who plays an art dealer in New York, very wealthy guy.
Speaker C:And part of the film, he goes into a thing where he wakes up and he talks about having had a dream the night before about how he's wandering through a grade school and all the paintings that the children have done, all the finger painting and tempera painting, it's all beautiful, like Matisse and Monet and brilliant work, you know, just beautiful works of art, you know, just, you know, like things you would see in a museum, all this wonderful stuff.
Speaker C:And then he encounters the teacher, and he says to the teacher, how do you do it?
Speaker C:How do you get them produced, such wonderful works?
Speaker C:And she goes, oh, it's really very simple.
Speaker C:You have to know when to take it away from them.
Speaker C:And I feel like if there was a traditional director on set instead of like the actor director on set, you know, you know, acting as that, like, you know, like that line of sight next to the camera, you know, voice to go, okay.
Speaker C:You know, to edit the scenes, I feel like it probably would have been a better film, you know, just because.
Speaker C:Because it's.
Speaker C:It's like, you know, I mean, because like an actor, you know, it's like a scene ends.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, to be or not to Be.
Speaker C:Okay, cut.
Speaker C:No, no, I can go on.
Speaker C:No, no, no, we got it.
Speaker C:We got it.
Speaker C:We got it.
Speaker C:The audience has got it.
Speaker C:The editor will get it.
Speaker C:We're good.
Speaker C:Next.
Speaker C:You know, moving on.
Speaker C:But actors, God love them.
Speaker C:And Nathan and I. I mean, like, we know.
Speaker C:I'm actually sure.
Speaker C:I'm sure you're Sam, too.
Speaker C:Work with a lot of actors, and they.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is Sam's world, too.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:Yeah, they'.
Speaker C:Folk.
Speaker C:But when they fall in love with the character, they really want you to know, you know, and.
Speaker C:You know, and.
Speaker C:And there should be someone there to say, like, okay, cut.
Speaker C:And they go, no, I can go, no, no, you don't.
Speaker C:Nope, we're good.
Speaker C:Yep, we got it.
Speaker B:So what do you say, Dave?
Speaker B:Yes or no?
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yes, I would say yes.
Speaker C:I would say yes.
Speaker C:I would.
Speaker C:And I would put.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Because, like, I would hope that your ball would have, like.
Speaker C:Like, even, like, a little.
Speaker C:Maybe not a whole shelf, but a section of a shelf for Mr. Duvall, because, you know, his.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:I mean, everybody thinks of, like, you know, I guess, you know, Godfather and network, but, you know, there should be other.
Speaker C:You know, you want to look at his early stuff, but you also want to look.
Speaker C:This was, you know, probably.
Speaker C:I'm trying to think this was the latter part of his career, you know, where he's kind of getting settled into himself.
Speaker C:But yet, I believe, looking at it, you realize that the young actor that had done all the stage and film and television stuff, you know, as a young man, and explored all those different roles, you know, had really, you know, found with himself that, like, there's this great range.
Speaker C:And what did he want to do with it?
Speaker C:He wanted to tell this story.
Speaker C:He wanted to tell the story of this particular character.
Speaker B:All right, let's.
Speaker D:Nothing comes close to secondhand Lions.
Speaker C:Good film.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker D:Let's just get it.
Speaker C:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, put it in the vault.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:I was really hoping to hear that.
Speaker D:It did not make it into the vault.
Speaker D:Sound effect.
Speaker D:But maybe one day.
Speaker E:Someday.
Speaker B:Someday.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:It is time for our Robert Duvall sound clip trivia.
Speaker B:It is game time.
Speaker E:You know what happens then?
Speaker E:What?
Speaker E:Without further ado, it's time to start running.
Speaker E:On your marks, get set.
Speaker E:Killian.
Speaker B:I'll be back.
Speaker C:Only in a rerun.
Speaker E:Go.
Speaker B:It is time for our Robert Duvall sound clip trivia.
Speaker B:No, that was not a Robert Duvall film.
Speaker B:But we have four categories.
Speaker C:Nathan, you should read the categories, because these are.
Speaker C:These are good.
Speaker D:I think that you are doing coke while creating this.
Speaker B:And almost done.
Speaker D:What's the matter?
Speaker D:The CIA got you pushing too many pencils?
Speaker C:Okay, what is this with the fucking pie?
Speaker D:Forget about my time, man.
Speaker B:We have a game board here and I think I'll be able to share it with the people watching this on the video version of this.
Speaker B:But those listening along at home, the four categories are Bob 2k, which are.
Speaker B:I'll have to explain this.
Speaker B: hese are movies from the year: Speaker B:Okay, Bob and order any movie where he plays potentially a police officer or lawman.
Speaker B:The Daily Duvall.
Speaker B:Maybe he works for media of some form.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And the Robert goes to should be maybe movies that he won awards for or nominated for.
Speaker B:Now here's how we're gonna play.
Speaker C:All right?
Speaker B:You guys have to do your own little buzzers when you recognize the clip, all right?
Speaker B:So I'm gonna play a clip.
Speaker D:Gotcha.
Speaker B:You just go.
Speaker B:That's how we're gonna have to do this.
Speaker B:High tech, real high tech.
Speaker C:Are you gonna have the Jeopardy.
Speaker B:Copyrights?
Speaker B:Copyrights?
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Oh, right, sorry.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:We'll have to make our own back to the frame rate version of it.
Speaker B:Dave, you are our guest, so you can pick the first category.
Speaker B:And I will play the sound clip.
Speaker D:Instead of buzzing in, I'm just gonna bark like a dog.
Speaker D:Bark.
Speaker C:Okay, so ready?
Speaker B:Take it away.
Speaker B:Dave, you are our guest.
Speaker C:Okay, Bob, in order $400.
Speaker B:Oh, you're going big right now.
Speaker B:Bob, in order for 400.
Speaker E:Ready to go home or do you have a home?
Speaker E:Your brother wanted me to let you out.
Speaker E:It's up to me.
Speaker E:I'll let you stay here another couple of days or a week.
Speaker D:Yes, Sam, would that be.
Speaker D:Oh my God.
Speaker D:The him and Kevin.
Speaker D:The him and the Kevin Costner movie where they play the ranchers?
Speaker D:What in the mother hell is the name of the damn title?
Speaker D:That is sucks.
Speaker B:None of this is in the form of a question, by the way.
Speaker B:Oh, I got it.
Speaker D:What is open range?
Speaker D:What is open range?
Speaker C:Incorrect.
Speaker B:You've lost 400.
Speaker D:Oh God, I'm so certain of it.
Speaker D:I'm negative 400.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Oh, I don't have to answer.
Speaker C:Okay, okay, I'll pass.
Speaker B:We own.
Speaker B:We own the night he played.
Speaker C:Damn it.
Speaker C:Okay, yeah, that's a great.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And Joaquin Phoenix's father.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:So Dave, you still have the still your board.
Speaker C:All right, I will go, Bob and order 300.
Speaker E:You think these people give a about you?
Speaker E:They don't you're just the cause of the moment.
Speaker E:Nobody cares, John.
Speaker E:That's the real truth.
Speaker E:Nobody cares.
Speaker E:Only you.
Speaker E:And it's only you and me out here.
Speaker E:And all these guns pointed at you.
Speaker C:Falling down.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker D:Can I go?
Speaker D:Can I take that question?
Speaker D:It wouldn't be Days of Thunder?
Speaker E:No.
Speaker B:You guys suck.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:That was John Q. Oh, John Q.
Speaker D:John Q. I saw that.
Speaker C:Damn John Q.
Speaker D:This is like the most least memorable dialogue.
Speaker D:He's like, hey, can I open the door for you?
Speaker D:It'd be anything.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Still your board.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I'm not one to give up, Bob.
Speaker C:In order for 200.
Speaker E:Well, these two bulls are sitting on a grassy knoll overlooking a herd of Guernsey's.
Speaker E:And the baby bull says, hey, Pop, let's run down and one of those cows.
Speaker E:But the papa says, no, son, let's walk down them.
Speaker C:All colors, colors, colors.
Speaker C:I am a nightmare walking night psychopath stalking king of my jungle.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:By Dennis Hopper.
Speaker E:Yes.
Speaker C:What is colors?
Speaker B:You are correct.
Speaker C:Finally, David, is your board, Bob, in order?
Speaker C:$100.
Speaker E:Oh, okay.
Speaker E:London Bridges.
Speaker C:Falling down,.
Speaker E:Falling down.
Speaker E:London Bridge is falling down.
Speaker E:Help me out now.
Speaker E:Come.
Speaker B:Yes, Sam.
Speaker D:Falling down.
Speaker D:What is falling down?
Speaker B:Yes, it is.
Speaker B:All right, well, you're.
Speaker B:You're inching back up there.
Speaker B:I don't know if you're gonna be able to recover.
Speaker D:How much was that?
Speaker D:Wait, how much was that one?
Speaker D:It was 100, so I'm now negative 600.
Speaker D:This is great, man.
Speaker B:That's great.
Speaker D:There's some serious now, man.
Speaker B:It's your board, Sam.
Speaker D:My board.
Speaker D:Okay, I'm gonna take.
Speaker C:Ooh, ooh.
Speaker B:Oven order is all done.
Speaker D:I'm gonna take bob.
Speaker D:2K for 400.
Speaker D:Let's go for negative a thousand, baby.
Speaker E:When I saw that boy, I thought I'd died.
Speaker E:And he.
Speaker E:He was an angel.
Speaker E:I had a boy one time.
Speaker E:Bam.
Speaker D:I'm gonna give it a shot.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:What is open range?
Speaker B:No, damn it, man.
Speaker D:I want that one to win, man.
Speaker D:Negative a thousand, Sam.
Speaker D:Cole.
Speaker D:Negative a thousand over here.
Speaker B:You wanna.
Speaker B:What is 400 down the line here?
Speaker C:What is the apostle?
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker C:Damn.
Speaker C:Okay, well, all right.
Speaker B:Also, you lost 400.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:That was the road.
Speaker B:You played the blind man.
Speaker D:God, I never would have gotten that.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Sam, still.
Speaker B:Still your board.
Speaker D:I'm gonna get conservative now.
Speaker D:I'm gonna do Duvall for 100.
Speaker E:He was hoping I'd fall on my face with his beal show, but I didn't.
Speaker E:It's a big, fat, big pitted hit.
Speaker E:And I don't have to waffle around with Ruddy anymore.
Speaker E:If he wants to take me up before the CCA board, let him.
Speaker D:Fuck.
Speaker D:I know that.
Speaker D:I've heard this.
Speaker D:What the hell is this?
Speaker B:I did not expect this to be this hard.
Speaker D:Oh, I know.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker D:What is Apocalypse Now?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I buzz in what is network.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Ding, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker D:That's right, motherfucker.
Speaker D: All right, negative: Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:For 100.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Daily Duval for 200.
Speaker E:I want you to look at this.
Speaker E:What you have in your hand there is a great store story, but I want it all Max Mercy exclusive.
Speaker E:I wouldn't want the public to get the wrong idea about you.
Speaker E:There are a lot of.
Speaker E:A lot of stories floating around about you.
Speaker C:Ding, ding.
Speaker D:I mean, bing, bing.
Speaker B:What do you got?
Speaker B:What do you got?
Speaker D:Would that be what is the natural.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Finally.
Speaker C:Right, Right.
Speaker B:How much.
Speaker D:How much was that?
Speaker B:That was 200.
Speaker D:200?
Speaker D:Hell yeah.
Speaker D:Now negative 900.
Speaker B:You're bored, Sam.
Speaker D:I'll do Bob 2K for 300.
Speaker B:Here it is.
Speaker E:Old age happened.
Speaker E:That's what happened.
Speaker E:I tired of killing, you know?
Speaker E:I woke up one morning and thought, I'm no longer a destroyer.
Speaker E:I'm a means of resurrection.
Speaker E:Now we restore, we revive.
Speaker E:Come here.
Speaker E:Remember we used to do this?
Speaker B:What the fuck?
Speaker D:Old age happened.
Speaker B:That's what happened.
Speaker D:I've, like, heard it in my mind.
Speaker D:Wait a minute.
Speaker D:Hold on.
Speaker D:Wait.
Speaker D:Holy.
Speaker D:It's I.
Speaker D:Three more seconds.
Speaker D:Holy.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Bing, bang.
Speaker D:What is gone in 60 seconds?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker E:Wow.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:I think I remember.
Speaker D:That was driving me nuts.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Very good.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker D:What was the numbers on that?
Speaker B:It was 300.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker B:This is great.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:All right, so I'm gonna take.
Speaker D:I'll do 300 daily Duvall.
Speaker E:Two days after a black kid is killed in a neighboring community, two white businessmen named.
Speaker E:What?
Speaker E:What are the names?
Speaker E:Hanson and McGregor get shot up with racial efforts.
Speaker E:That's written on their car.
Speaker E:Now, in response, the New York sun decides to run a parking story.
Speaker D:Bing, bing.
Speaker D:What is.
Speaker D:What is colors?
Speaker E:No.
Speaker D:Oh, man.
Speaker B:David.
Speaker B:Passing.
Speaker B:You want to chime in?
Speaker C:I am passing because.
Speaker B:All right, that was the paper.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, I know that.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, of course you do.
Speaker D:Yeah, I do know that Michael Keaton drinks a lot of Diet Coke in that movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Product placement and.
Speaker D:Yeah, and The Robert goes to for 200.
Speaker E:Let me tell you something, okay?
Speaker E:Here I put a roof over your head, money in your pocket, clothes on your back, food in your mouth.
Speaker E:Who paid for that college education?
Speaker E:Your mother?
Speaker D:I have no idea.
Speaker B:Oscar nominated performances Only so many.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:What is the Great Santini?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Damn, damn.
Speaker C:I thought that.
Speaker C:I really thought that was passing, Sam.
Speaker D:Passing.
Speaker B:That was the judge.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I recently.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:That was a good film.
Speaker B:It was a good film.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, Sam, still your board.
Speaker D:And the Robert goes to 100.
Speaker E:I was almost killed one in a car accident.
Speaker E:I was drunk.
Speaker E:I ran on the side of the road and I turned over four times.
Speaker B:Took me out of that car for dead.
Speaker E:But I lived.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker E:I prayed last night.
Speaker D:What is tender mercies?
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:Little hanging fruit for you, Sam.
Speaker B:We just.
Speaker D:That really was.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Two out of the your four that you got are movies that we've already watched in the past month and a half.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker D:It's true.
Speaker B:All right, you're bored still, Sam.
Speaker D:I'll do daily duvall for 400.
Speaker B:Woo.
Speaker E:You're on the hearse like I do sights.
Speaker E:As newspaper men, he and I would cut each other's throats to get an advantage.
Speaker E:But as gentlemen and those businessmen, we often see eye to eye on certain things.
Speaker E:Now if we do it, Hurst and I, if we do it, then the other papers will do it.
Speaker B:I'm gonna give you a clue.
Speaker B:This movie has come up in our podcast already.
Speaker B:Is that an ant from Dave?
Speaker C:Yes, that's an ant.
Speaker C:Yeah, the natural.
Speaker B:No, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No clips are duped.
Speaker B:No movies are duplicated.
Speaker B:So that was newsies.
Speaker D:Oh, oh, I'm gonna go from bob2k200.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:Connecticut.
Speaker D:There's so much to do.
Speaker E:We got a warrant sworn for attempted murder for them that tried to kill the boy who's laying over there at the docks trying to stay alive.
Speaker E:Sworn another one for them that murdered the big fella you had in your cell.
Speaker E:Only ours ain't written by no tin star bought and paid for, Marshall.
Speaker E:It's written by us.
Speaker E:We aim to enforce it.
Speaker D:Bet.
Speaker D:What is Open range.
Speaker E:Yay.
Speaker B:Just keep saying open range till it hits, I guess.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker E:How much?
Speaker D:How much is that one?
Speaker D:300.
Speaker B:No, that was 200.
Speaker D:Negative 600.
Speaker D:Excellent.
Speaker D:I'll go 400.
Speaker D:Robert goes to.
Speaker E:And I'd make sure everyone knew I didn't want to be disturbed during that hour or so solitude because that would be my time.
Speaker E:My own private time, which no one, if they had any sense of self preservation at all, would dare interrupt.
Speaker B:It sounds like that's.
Speaker B:No one knows it.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker B:I do not.
Speaker B:Okay, that was civil action.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker D:John Travolta.
Speaker C:John Travolta.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker E:All right.
Speaker B:Sam, two options left here.
Speaker B:300 In the Robert Gosie for 300 and Bob 2K for 100.
Speaker D:Bob 2K for 100.
Speaker E:If you think I'm gonna allow a sex predator in a uniform to wander around my house and touch my underwear, you got another.
Speaker E:Thank him.
Speaker E:No, no, no, no.
Speaker B:I made these too hard.
Speaker B:I did not think so.
Speaker B:It's a comedy.
Speaker D:Is it?
Speaker D:Is it all right?
Speaker D:It's not the four Christmases.
Speaker B:It is four Christmases.
Speaker A:Holy.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:Yeah, wow.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker D:And what was that for?
Speaker D:That was for what?
Speaker D:100.
Speaker D:100.
Speaker E:Yes.
Speaker B:Last category.
Speaker B:Just gonna play it.
Speaker B:It is in the robber goes to for 300.
Speaker E:You may not have the privilege of serving under the meanest, toughest, screaming squadron commander in the Marine Corps.
Speaker E:Me.
Speaker E:Now, I don't want you to consider me as just your commanding officer.
Speaker E:I want you to look on me like I was.
Speaker C:Well, God, what is the Great Santini.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:That concludes this.
Speaker B:Let's just add up our scores here.
Speaker B:Do you want to.
Speaker B:Do you have it or do you want me to do it here?
Speaker B:I'm at.
Speaker D:I'm at negative 500.
Speaker B:I think you are minus 400, Dave.
Speaker B:And you're minus 500, Sam.
Speaker B:So you guys owe me 900.
Speaker D:You're a stellar unit there.
Speaker B:I apologize that I did not realize how difficult this was going to be.
Speaker D:No, it was fun.
Speaker D:It was fun.
Speaker D:It's just challenging.
Speaker D:Like some.
Speaker D:Some of the ones, like I had no.
Speaker D:No idea.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:And the ones I knew it just because I read, I heard them and I was like, where is that from?
Speaker D:And I had to dig into my memory.
Speaker B:Well, I hope this was fun for even people listening at home.
Speaker B:And I'm probably have to severely edit this.
Speaker B:I have made so much work for myself.
Speaker B:Dave, we thank you very much for joining us this evening.
Speaker C:It was a lot of fun, guys.
Speaker C:I would.
Speaker C:I would add I saw Obsession in the theater night before last, the new supernatural horror film by Curry Barker.
Speaker C:And I give it.
Speaker C:I give it a definite thumbs up recommendation.
Speaker B:I saw Obsession about a month ago.
Speaker B:I enjoyed it a lot too.
Speaker C:Yeah, that was very good.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna try to get out tomorrow night to finally see Disclosure Day.
Speaker B:I'll let you know, Sam, if I get there.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker D:Yeah, I would love, love your.
Speaker D:You'll love your thoughts.
Speaker B:Any obstacles.
Speaker D:And if they don't let you in that time, when in doubt, I mean, I mean if they get the.
Speaker D:If they pull that on you.
Speaker D:Again, when in doubt, go home, drink scotch and watch Predator 2.
Speaker D:There you go with Danny Glover.
Speaker B:You know, I still have not seen the Was a Predator.
Speaker B:Is it Badlands, the one that came out last October?
Speaker B:I think it's an HBO Max.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker D:I liked it.
Speaker D:I was not blown away.
Speaker D:I've seen it, but it's been on.
Speaker B:My list of things to watch.
Speaker C:I have not seen that, but I will check it out.
Speaker B:I think that's gonna wrap things up.
Speaker B:And yeah, until next time, I think we are gonna try to squeeze in Jaws two in our next episode.
Speaker B:It may be in July, may have to wait till August just because this episode kind of got pushed toward the end of this month.
Speaker B:But we'll do our best to get it.
Speaker B:We're gonna get in this summer as part of a little summer movie fun and summer magic.
Speaker B:Yeah.
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Speaker B:Special thanks to Brian Ellsworth for our show opening.
Speaker B:On behalf of all of us, we bid you farewell from the fall shelter.
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Speaker D:Defense.
Speaker B:Back to the frame rate.
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Speaker E:Want you to know it's over.
Speaker B:Well, here's to us.
