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7th Oct 2024

Back to the Fedora: Celebrating Indiana Jones' Legacy

We're wrapping up our Indiana Jones deep dive this month with what we're calling our "Fortune & Glory Awards Episode." Our buddy Anthony Ambrosino is joining us for some serious Indy talk. We're gonna chat about the franchise, hand out some awards and rank all five films. We finish up the episode with a re-broadcasted segment of our June 2023 discussion of 'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny'

Find Anthony Ambrosino on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2805568/

Time Stamps

01:51 Fortune and Glory Awards

42:16 October Movie Anticipations

54:18 BTTFR Rewind: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Discussion

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In the dying embers of human existence.

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As the asteroid, a behemoth the sides of Texas, hurdles relentlessly toward earth, the world braces for an apocalyptic end.

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Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge plunges into the bowels of the earth.

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Here, the chosen gather, their purpose clear to preserve the very soul of our civilization.

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The 35 and 70 millimeter prints that encapsulate the magic, the emotion, and the dreams of generations past.

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These masterpieces, each frame a testament to the human spirit, are carefully catalogued and cradled in the cavernous confines of the bunker.

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Perhaps there was room for more, for friends and family yearning for salvation, but sacrifices must be made.

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The movie nerds stand united, the keepers of a flame, promising a future where the art of storytelling endures, transcending the boundaries of time and space.

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God help us all.

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Welcome to back to the framerate, part of the Westin Media podcast network.

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Join us as we watch and discuss.

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Films on vod and streaming platforms, deliberating on whether each one is worthy of salvation or destined for destruction in the face of the impending asteroid apocalypse.

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You can find more episodes of this podcast on backtotheframe rate.com, where you can subscribe and share our show and find us on our socials at back to the framerate.

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I'm Nathan Shurer, and accompanying me are the extraordinary movie maven's Breonna Budworth, Sam Cole.

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And returning again is our friend and special guest, Anthony Ambrosino.

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Here for some more pain, we are going to be doing our September wrap up, our fortune and glory award show, where we are going to be handing out awards and superlatives for the retrospective series we just did.

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How is everybody doing tonight?

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Good.

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So far so good.

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This should be fun.

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released probably in June of:

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So last year, which should be fun listening to what our opinions were on that.

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So that's what we got in store for everyone tonight.

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B.

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Sounds like you weren't a fan, but not a fan.

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Let's get to tonight's award.

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So I don't, I should have done some sort of fanfare or something for these award shows.

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Anyone you know?

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Jingle?

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You got one there, B.

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That's good.

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I usually, I usually, I've been really good at making some jingles for the show.

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I just haven't done one for awards, but here we go.

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September wrap up fortune and glory awards.

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Ready?

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You guys are ready?

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For this.

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This should be a lot of fun.

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We have a whole bunch of awards and superlatives here.

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First one, this is, this is kind of a softball one here.

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Best villain.

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We have got five movies.

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I know, B, even we haven't talked about it yet.

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You did catch up on all five movies.

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So we're all, we're all caught up in this best villain in this franchise, and I think we'll go in the order that we went with last week.

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How's that?

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So what is your Belloc villain?

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For me, I think he's the most interesting.

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I think he's just the most well rounded.

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It did come close to me.

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For me, between him and Molaram from Temple of Doom, who I think is like the freakiest, but, and I was really missing a villain, like, around by the time we got around to the fourth and fifth movies.

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But I think when we did our Raiders episode, Nathan, you had talked about how, how much depth there was to that character and, and the places it could have gone, and you could really see some backstory with the two of them.

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So he eked it out just a little bit for me.

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Two totally different villains, though.

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Mmmdh Anthony.

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I can't disagree with me.

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I, too, had a tough time between them, but I went with Mulleram.

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Nice.

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He's horrifically scary.

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He's scary and he has a cool death.

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He's got a cool death.

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He's got cool scene.

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I like the mystery behind him and just, he just is evil.

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And Belloc is cool.

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Like, he's smart and he's a good, what do they call that for indies?

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Like a good counterpart?

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Like a heel?

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Yeah, like, you know, just like.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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He's like, scary as hell.

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So I was gonna go, if you went with one, I was gonna go with the other.

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So.

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Oh, boy.

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It's a tough choice because I like raiders the best.

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I do think that that Belloc is, like, indies equal and he's like more of, like a mirror to Indy, but, like, playing with a darker, more evil team, I think.

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Oh, man, I guess I would say Molaram as well, just because he's so evil.

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He bad and he has exactly, he has so many great facial expressions and he's got all these, like when Indy is locking Kate Capshaw up into the device, when it's in the fire and it pushes it on Maulerum's face and he's like, I have a disciple.

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He's such a baddie, bad baddie.

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That he just wins that award.

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It's also those horns on his head.

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Like, if I.

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If I.

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If I put it this way, if I encountered Belloc, like in a bar, I could talk to him.

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I'd be like, look, Belloc, I know you want to kill me, but let's negotiate.

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Can I?

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You know, there is no negotiating with Mulleram.

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If I saw him, I'd be like, I'm dead.

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I'm dead.

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Like, can he just shoot me?

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Because I don't want to burn to death because it's going to hurt.

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So Mulleram scares me.

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Yeah.

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Freaky dicky dude.

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All right, Nathan.

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Yeah.

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This was hard because there are so many villains and they're so different in this franchise.

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So I.

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I was really close to Belloc as well, but I actually went with somebody that has not been mentioned yet.

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And I'm going with Elsa Schneider because I just really, I found her to be of kind of an atypical villain.

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She's complex and charming and I just love that you really don't.

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I did not see her when I first saw this movie that turn coming at the time.

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And I think that she is just really plays well in this entire movie.

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And she's such a huge part of the movie, too.

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I have her for another.

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I really do like Elsa as action scene.

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And this is wide open.

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This could be because we only have one category for action, Chase.

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But let's call this action scene or Chase scene, action sequence or action set piece, however you want to do this.

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Yeah.

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There's a lot that I love here and I love all the chase sequences.

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I'm a big plane girl.

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Listeners of the podcast will know I love planes and there's a lot of great plane action in this movie.

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But my favorite, like, action scene happened so early on in the franchise.

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It's the bar in Nepal.

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It's the one when we talk about, when we talk about indie.

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And like, I get ready for these episodes every week.

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When I'm thinking of Indiana Jones, I'm thinking of that scene.

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Like, that's my recall, that's my memory for it.

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It's the introduction of the shadows, the way the shots are done, like the physical shooting is done.

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The blocking of that, I think is brilliant.

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The introduction of Marian's character, there's just so much good shit that happens in that 1 bar.

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I love it.

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That's a great.

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I love the gunplay is so choreographed.

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Like, there's so many movies where people just, like, shoot at each other and it's not well planned out.

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But like, that scene, that's a great.

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Another reason why I love Raiders.

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Yeah, I love that scene.

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Yep.

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Anthony, what is your pick for best act?

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I went back and forth a ton between the chase scenes from the end of Raiders and end of Crusade and.

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But I think the one that maybe I've seen the most and really is the escape from.

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Escape with the idol from raiders.

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The boulder, the.

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Yeah.

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Alfred Molina.

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It all is just.

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And it's the classic scene when they show clips from raiders, that's usually something they're showing.

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It was just such a memorable sequence.

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I don't know how early you can start it.

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Do we start it with the sand and swapping the idol with the sand?

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Do it.

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You know, where's the action sequence start?

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But this was my hardest decision, looking at the questions.

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But it's escaping with the idol.

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There's no wrong answers here.

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I 100% have to go with the truck chase in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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I just think it's.

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The editing is perfect, the camera angles are perfect.

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I think it surpasses any vehicular thing I've seen in Mad Max, which I know is like a sacrilegious statement.

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I just, I.

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Oh, yeah, that is crazy.

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I just think it's like perfection.

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Like absolute perfection.

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John Williams perfection.

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Spielberg perfection.

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Second unit directing perfection.

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And it's just like perfect.

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So that would be point out that three of us all picked two, three different favorite of out of five films, action sequences, and they're all from the same movie.

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So it just goes to show you where Raiders stand.

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Yeah.

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No one in their right mind could pick, you know, crusade as a better movie than it was.

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Between that and Shia LaBeouf swinging with the monkeys and crystal skull, I had to, you know, neck and neck.

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Yeah.

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Sam, you stole my thunder.

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Cause I also went with the Chuck the truck chase and raiders.

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And again, it's the tactile nature of it.

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Real stunt work.

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It goes on for a long time too.

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You know how he is.

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Just like climbing out of windows and getting kicking other Nazis out, falls in front of the truck, goes underneath there, climbs back around.

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I mean, there's just, it's so well crafted and storyboarded.

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It's.

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It's incredible scene.

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So, yeah, the truck chase, this is one that b.

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You added earlier today, which I think is great.

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Best death kill.

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Yeah.

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Mulleram.

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And we're gonna start with you.

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You think the alligators, molarum falling down the.

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I mean, there's a lot of good deaths in this movie.

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The guy with the.

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There's a lot rethink.

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I'm rethinking my answer a little bit, but you don't see it on screen.

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I love the propeller, death and raiders, but you don't.

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For me, I guess Muller on beats it out.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so what do you got?

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There are just so many.

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My favorite.

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There's so many that I can consider as favorites.

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So much.

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I'm gonna go with this one just because it's.

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It's just fun.

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And you've not really seen anything like it before.

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But I'm gonna go with the swordsman in the, the basket chase scene when Andy pulls out the gun and shoots him.

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I know it's not the most gorgeous death satisfying in other ways, but it was such a clever and fun moment that it's when I think back, I always remember that moment in that scene.

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So I'm gonna go with that.

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I have to best definitely in Raiders as well, just because it.

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The first time I saw it, it's just.

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It's shockingly hilarious.

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The guy does all the swinging and all these moves, and Harrison Ford at point blank range just kills him in cold blood, and he's just like, man, f this dude.

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I'm exhausted.

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And it was just, it's just so apparently, like, on the nose awesome.

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I can't expect.

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Unexpected.

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Yes.

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Not expected at all.

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Yeah.

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And a great callback in Temple of doom when he goes for the gun and it's not there with the two swords.

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Not this time.

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Indy and Steven would be like, this is great.

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This is great.

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Because you think he's going to do it again, but he can't.

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There are so many options I could list off, and there's probably, like five honorable mentions I want to bring up.

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But there's one death from this franchise that gave me nightmares for most of my childhood, and that is at the end of Raiders tote.

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And it was nightmare fodder for probably, until I probably saw Temple of Doom, which I didn't find, honestly, that scary at the time.

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I mean, kind of, but, like, it made me.

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It was.

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It was a kid's.

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It was.

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It was a more kid friendly version, I thought, for me.

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But Ray, the end of raise the Lost Ark, which I was having such a great time with, and I remember seeing in the theater, having the time I Cronenberg shit, that face started melting.

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I lost.

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I lost my shit.

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And I remember was with my dad, and I was traumatized from that.

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And I didn't watch Raiders of the Lost Ark probably again until after Temple Doom.

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I saw that in the theater where I had the courage to go back and see Raiders of the Lost Ark on.

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I actually.

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I.

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And I'd already told the story when we were doing raiders, but I got in trouble as a little kid, because in kindergarten, I was so enamored with the nazi face melting that in story hour, when we were supposed to draw pictures, I was drawing pictures of, like, faces melting, and I was, like, storyboarding the scenes.

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They had a parent teacher conference for me, and they were like, is there domestic violence in your home?

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We're really concerned about your son, because he's drawing these horrific things, and my dad just laughed.

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He's like, no, no, no.

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It's.

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It's raiders of the Lost Ark.

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He just loves the movie.

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So this one here, I'm calling the scene Stealer award.

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So it's basically a character or a scene where, you know, somebody just, like, takes the take.

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Takes the scene into, you know, steals the scene.

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Basically do with it as you, me, a short round.

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I don't think he gets enough love.

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We haven't talked about him enough.

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Short round.

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Short round.

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Okay.

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I just.

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I thought he was so charming in all his scenes with Indy.

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He was great.

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So, wait, so scene Stealer is definitely.

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It's a character.

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It's not.

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It's a character.

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Stealing a scene is what you're saying.

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I was kind of.

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Okay, okay.

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Yes.

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That's how we've traditionally done it.

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Yeah.

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Short round was my answer.

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But since short round has been taken, I'm gonna go with Belloc.

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I think being Indy's equal, whenever he shows up on screen, you.

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You are unsure of what he's going to say or do that's going to.

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He just always seems to get the drop on Indy.

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He always comes away as the victor up until the very end.

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But his just satisfaction of besting Indy at every turn makes him second to me.

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Second to short round for me.

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Good stuff.

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It's.

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It's a challenge, but I would have to go with the.

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And I'm really embarrassed, because not only do I not know the actor's name off.

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Off the top of my head, but the character's name.

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It's the Nazi in Raiders of the Lost Ark with the glasses, whose face melts, who gets his thing.

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General Todd.

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General Todd.

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Every time he's on screen, I find him really scary and amusing.

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And I love the moment in Raiders when they're all standing around the ark, and they open it, and it looks like there's just sand inside, and he's just standing there going like.

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He's.

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Like, we wasted all the time or when he shows up at the bar.

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In Nepal, his presence.

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I find him scary and amusing because he's so evil, but he's delightfully evil.

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So for me, he's definitely a scene stealer.

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Great pick.

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Every time he shows up in Raiders, I pay attention.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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This next award is the wingman or wing woman award.

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This is.

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Wait, who's your pick?

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Award that we give out to somebody that we.

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Oh, I missed myself.

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You know why?

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Because I have the same pick as you before went with short round.

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Yeah.

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And I can honestly say if it weren't for the dynamic in chemistry between indie and short round, I think Temple of Doom would be a much worse movie.

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Every time short round is on screen, he just adds energy and relatability that Willy Scott, I feel, was intended to deliver.

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And he just adds the emotional depth to key moments, such as when he begs Indy to wake up from the brainwashing.

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You know, it makes me wish there was more card cheating, more expanded.

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I was just going to say that.

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Yeah, we'll get you over to the dark side on Billy Scott.

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If not for short round, who would you, who would your pick of Ben Nathan.

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Oh, see, this.

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This was really hard.

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It might have been Belloc, because I wanted so much more.

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I wanted Belloc.

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You weren't there for this episode, I think.

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But I wish Belloc survived raiders, and he was somebody that returned in this franchise and possibly becomes an ally or somebody that comes.

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Comes in and out of Indiana Jones life, and you never know whose side he's on.

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He's just kind of, like, always out there playing games with him.

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He would have been.

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I'm guessing it's never been mentioned.

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I'm guessing they regret that he died in movie and they could have used.

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He could have shown up in Dial of Destiny or something like that and been the foil out of nowhere.

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Yeah, I know.

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I wish he.

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He had a longer legacy in this movie.

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He would have been so good as a reoccurring villain or something.

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Like I said, he would be so good as somebody who did come around as an ally to Indy as well, because he was not far off.

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How amazing would have been his dial destiny.

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Indy goes back in time and who's already there as Belloc, and they've got together to get out.

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Another point to raiders for, like, how grounded in reality the characters were, though, you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so back.

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Back in track here.

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Wingman.

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Wing woman award.

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Now, this is somebody who we would want to take on a.

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As.

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As a wingman on a date.

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Basically.

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This is the easiest one for me, Sala.

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So it's the best, man.

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It's okay, Anthony.

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We can have the same answers.

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Yeah.

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It's the right answer.

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I love it.

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No, no, I love that we have the same answers.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's my favorite.

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It's solid.

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He's got the connections.

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He's got the anecdotes to talk and make you look good.

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He's called ahead to the restaurant, and they've got a table ready for you.

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He's got everything under control.

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Salah is the perfect wingman.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's hyping, rake in the ice, telling stories, and plus.

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And as a karaoke partner.

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Great.

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The consummate guest.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Are you locked in step with us, Sam Brody?

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Just because in last Crusade, he's so goofy and so funny that he'd be a good conversationalist, and I think he would make me look really, really good by comparison.

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You'd be like, oh, yeah, Sam is such a charming fellow.

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Ancient Greece, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Speaks twelve languages.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So I'd have to go, Marcus.

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Yeah.

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But Sala is the man.

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You know, my second choice was mala.

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Wrong.

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My second choice was the alligator.

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All right, next.

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Who is your next category?

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This is kind of superlative.

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Sala.

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Salae.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Best is hard.

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I like, I mean, anytime the fedora magically returns, I'm happy.

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But.

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So, for this one, I just went with when he.

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The origin story of the fedora, when it's given to him, because I really like the preamble in last Crusade, the passing of the house.

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So the.

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The passing of the hat to.

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It was just nice to see river.

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Phoenix, the beginning of crusade.

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Okay.

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All right, cool.

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Anthony, what do you got?

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That's a good answer, B.

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God, I think it's good.

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Can you.

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Can I go?

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Can I go different?

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Can I jump out of place?

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Can I go last?

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All right, I want to speak a little more.

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Yeah, you can.

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Since I was just thrown into this episode.

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You were.

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There's one that, for me, the one.

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That comes into my mind immediately, because it's just heartfelt and perfect.

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It's in last Crusade, after Indy has fallen off the cliff, and he's sitting there exhausted in the sand, and Sean Connery is like, come on, we must keep going.

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We're so near the end, and his hat just rolls into frame out of nowhere, and he just puts it back on.

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I just.

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I loved that moment in the theater.

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I find it so endearing, and I just thought it was perfect.

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And just not too cheesy.

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It's just, of course, his hat just magically reappears.

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I just thought that was great.

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That'd be the one I would pick.

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And, Sam, I have exactly the same moment as you.

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It's emotional, momentous.

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It's like God is flicking it back in this direction because he's got all luck on his side.

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It's the tonality, because it's not like, oh, ho ho, ho.

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It's kind of.

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It's.

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It's kind of endearing, and it's.

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It's, like, emotional.

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It's a little mystical.

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Yeah.

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It's just the hat comes back, and you're like, oh, go for it, Andy.

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You know, like, it's great.

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All right, we're circling back to you, Anthony.

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Let me guess.

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The atomic ants make the hat roll up the hill, and he puts it.

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On his head, right.

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I can't keep the shy.

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I guess I'm going to go with this unexpectedly, but the shia moment, where shy goes, the hat rolls back in, and shia goes to pick it up, put it on, and Indy grabs it.

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Not so much for just that scene or that moment, but for the message to all of us that there will never.

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No one's ever be another Indiana Jones or not like he played it.

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And just that message of, no, you thought we were passing the torch to Shia here.

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We're not.

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There is no other Indiana Jones.

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It's.

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I think for the symbolism of that shot that is the one that stands out to me because it's basically a message to the audience.

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Not so fast, r I p, mutt.

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That's right.

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That's true.

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Yeah, it's true.

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All right.

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Okay, next one.

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Best.

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There's some very good options here, but I went with Henry Jones senior.

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Sean Connery.

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Henry Jones senior.

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Okay.

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I think it's the strongest core of all the movies, but I also just like him as a very competent everyman, and I like that Indiana Jones has a motivation outside of himself and his own moral compass on top of it.

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So for me, that gives it another layer of stakes.

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Good.

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So Anthony B.

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Is correct that the best practical one is Henry Jones.

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I'm going just with short round because he's the most fun.

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He's so fun.

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And it was very entertaining watching the two of them together.

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So for practical reasons, Henry Jones, for entertainment reasons, short round.

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Hard agree.

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Hard agree.

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I've got to go with.

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With short round.

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And I agree with both you guys.

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For me, it's.

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It was.

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For me personally, it was watching Temple of Doom as a kid and seeing another kid in the movie, I never thought of that.

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You had, like, something to relate to in the movie.

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Exactly.

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And he was, like, older than me, and I.

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And I looked up to him and I thought he was the coolest.

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And so as soon as he shows up and he's driving that car, I.

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Was just like, man, I love this kid.

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And so I just.

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He was like a hero to me as, like, as a wee one.

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That's cool.

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Is that there's a whole.

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Actually, the book is probably here somewhere, but there's a whole, like, Disney strategy about things like that.

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Oh, yeah.

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This book, money and power, the big picture.

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Money and power in Hollywood.

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And they talk about the Disney.

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It's called the Midas formula, where you have a child as a main character against adults, and it's like box office gold, and it talks all about that.

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But short round, not the main character, but, you know, how you connected with him and how you felt that kinship and all that.

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But it's a whole thing is called the Midas formula for characters like that.

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That's interesting.

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That's awesome.

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And Nathan, please take what I say with a grain of salt because I'm totally joking here.

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I'm just ribbing you, but I'm going to guess your favorite sidekick is Billy Scott, am I right?

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100%.

Host:

100%.

Host:

No, actually, I also went with short round for all the reasons that have been mentioned here.

Host:

And I love your point that he was so relatable because, you know, watching this as a ten year old, there.

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Was my surrogate right there.

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I didn't relate to Willie.

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I related to short round in that world.

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So that's.

Host:

That's such a great point to bring up, Sam.

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So, yes, short round absolutely should be a fun one.

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What artifact would you keep from this franchise?

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Question first, before you answer.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So is this the real bona fide artifact with all its mystical powers, or is this something like how I have my little trinkets that I would want?

Host:

Not.

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Not your real.

Audience Member:

Okay.

Host:

No, not your movie prop.

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The real thing.

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Oh, that might change my.

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Yeah, I do both.

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That's a good question.

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I mean, I don't know.

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We don't put much thought.

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Let's do.

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Okay, fine, we'll do both.

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I don't know.

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I.

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This is all for fun.

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So I never really.

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My answer is so, like, tongue in cheek, so I never really put much thought into it.

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I would want the.

Host:

My answer to entertainment value minus.

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I was.

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I'm going back to that first.

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That first temple run we see with the idol that for the.

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Yeah.

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The first thing he takes.

Host:

I love that fertility God.

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If not just because it will bring.

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Me Alfred Molina as a real artifact or as the movie prop you have.

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In your house as.

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As the movie prop.

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I just thought it looked super cool, and it was one of the things.

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And I want to go into this after.

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I know we're trying keep it short tonight, but I had made a list of what I thought Indiana Jones was before I watched any of the movies, because I never had any spoilers for it.

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And I sort of thought there was, like, gold.

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And so just kind of, again, is the thing in my mind, if I had to pick the real thing, couldn't artifact just be something of indies?

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Because I wouldn't hate the hat.

Host:

Yeah.

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Okay.

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Be fun not to lose a hat for once.

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You know.

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I have the two answers.

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The.

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So as far as movie prop goes, as far as size, the arc would be too big.

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The cup is too.

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I would like the fertility idol as well, which I'll be getting soon as the movie prop and as the real life like thing to own that works, it would be this.

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Yeah, I would.

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But would you be trapped in there, or would you be okay with the defunct?

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I would just sit home and.

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No, I just don't drink it.

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And it would work.

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Just crunch juice.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

Host:

Kool Aid.

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Yeah.

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For the real thing, I would 100% go after the Grail, because what I would do is I would go and I would drink from it in the temple in last crusade.

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No, it's broken beyond the seal.

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If I could somehow get it off that cliff, and if I could have everlasting life while I was in there, what I would do is I would go in there for, like, three years, bring food, and not age, write all the scripts.

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I could get it, get ahead on everything career wise, and just drink and drink and drink from it.

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Then I would go out, age a little bit, go back in, drink more of it.

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I would do whatever I could to keep myself alive as long as possible, because I'm all.

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I.

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I don't like being just a human.

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If there was a way to become.

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A God, I would go for it.

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Not.

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Or not a God, or, like, a religious deity, just.

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Just more powerful than, you know, immortal and, you know, gonna eat and like.

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It just to be a human, it's like, it's okay.

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But I would also go.

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I would like the.

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For the props.

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I just like the stones from Temple of doom with the.

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With the three lines across them.

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I just like the way they look.

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And I know you have that, Anthony, and I just.

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It's just something cool that I would like, love to have on my shelf.

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And I don't.

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I don't dislike being human.

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I'm grateful to be there.

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If the universe is listening to this, please allow me to continue and stay on this planet.

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I'm just saying, if there's a way to elongate life, I'm all for it, because I want to see what happens in the universe through the space time continuum.

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When's your birthday, Sam?

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Maybe we can get you a stone.

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April 13.

Host:

They will be found.

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Sorry.

Host:

For an artifact, I haven't.

Host:

Don't know what I'm gonna do about a movie prop, but for artifact, I think I'll.

Host:

I'll take the alien crystal skull for a couple.

Host:

For a couple reasons, you know?

Host:

You know, being made of pure crystal, it probably has the highest worth, I don't know, on the market.

Host:

It would make a great centerpiece at dinner parties, although I'm fully aware that plastic utensils.

Host:

That's okay.

Host:

There's the psychic properties it possesses.

Host:

I'd have the ability to communicate telepathically and control minds.

Host:

So I think that's worth more than the time to write scripts.

Host:

So I could get anything greenlit that I want.

Host:

Nothing could go wrong with this at all.

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And if all that fails, I could just haul it out and then bottle vodka in it and sell it at a premium price, just like Dan.

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For me, it's not just scripts.

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It's trying to live longer.

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The script is just an example of, like, taking advantage of time.

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I just want elongated life.

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But I hear you.

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Yeah.

Host:

Okay.

Host:

I don't know, man.

Host:

I don't know about a prop.

Host:

I'll take Indy's hat, although I don't think I can rock it, though.

Host:

I've tried putting a fedora on, and I look.

Host:

I look goofy.

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Sucks for you.

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I look great.

Host:

Sure, I'll take the fedora and, you know, a parade around my house wearing just the hat.

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Perfect.

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Just your Monty python, your full monty moment.

Host:

There you go.

Host:

Yeah, exactly.

Host:

Exactly.

Host:

All right, we have one last here.

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Oh, no, you have to rephrase this question.

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I'm on the record.

Host:

What?

Host:

It's the fallout shelter award.

Host:

What.

Host:

What character would you want to bring into our.

Host:

Our bunker to save for.

Host:

To bring into the after times?

Host:

And this is.

Host:

This is.

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This is not some.

Host:

Some scam supposed to be, you know, to repopulate the earth, but just because they.

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They should be I took a peek.

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At Bee's answer earlier.

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I know she's going with short round on this one.

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Harrison Ford.

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Man, I want to watch these movies with Harrison Ford.

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If he's in our movie vault, like, fuck it, come watch the movies with Harrison Ford.

Host:

All right, Doctor Jones.

Host:

Fine.

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Short run.

Host:

Anthony.

Host:

Yeah.

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On my side of the fence.

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There's no other answer.

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It's Doctor Elsa Schneider, general toxin.

Host:

Or.

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Bella Nazi into our vault?

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I would.

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Yeah, I was gonna say Elsa Snyder as well, but.

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But Kate Capshaw was a close second.

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Yeah.

Host:

Um, hey, you know, I'm taking the honest route here.

Host:

I'm going with Indiana Jones.

Host:

He's got the knowledge of history and archaeology and survival skills.

Host:

He offers leadership in problem solving and his adaptability.

Host:

And after we leave the bunker.

Host:

After we leave the bunker, he'll be great at teaching future generations about the before times and go on archaeological digs, finding artifacts.

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I think you cleaned up your answer because the question clearly stated who would you repopulate the earth with?

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And I don't know how the chemistry of that in the biology would work for you and him in the bunker.

Host:

I'm saying he's made him for the future.

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I'm on the record of wanting this question stricken from any future episodes.

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Okay.

Host:

Okay.

Host:

Well, there you go.

Host:

And finally, the most important of them all rank these five films.

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B from best to worst, worst best fifth to first.

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All right, my number one is Raiders.

Host:

Worst to worst.

Host:

Why not?

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Not shocking.

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Then crusade.

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Then temple crystal skull, dial of destiny.

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Raiders.

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Anthony Crusade.

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Temple dial, crystal skull.

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I think that's going to be most of you.

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I two one, raiders, two, crusade three, temple four dial and five, crystal skull.

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Interesting.

Host:

Okay, I know everyone's waiting, waiting for me.

Host:

And I will admit I have changed my answers a few times today, and I'm going to ruffle some feathers here.

Host:

Probably not.

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I didn't even wear my feathers.

Host:

Like I said in our last crusade episode, I think I.

Host:

That last crusade is now my favorite.

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You're not saying it's the best, you're saying it's your favorite.

Host:

Exactly.

Host:

Raiders still number one.

Host:

Raiders is still number one crusade.

Host:

But this is like one a and one b, which I think a lot of people probably feel.

Host:

So if I could do both at number one, I would.

Host:

I cannot decide, but I'm going to keep raiders just because it's so iconic.

Host:

But there's so much greatness about crusade.

Host:

Number so that's one and two.

Host:

Number three might surprise some people hearing, especially how much you disliked this.

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I'm ready to fight b.

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But I'm ready to fight so hard.

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Oh.

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I'm ready.

Host:

Is my third favorite, Indiana.

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I'm ready to fight.

:

Wow.

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Okay.

Host:

My fourth.

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My feathers are ruffled.

:

You were right.

Host:

Movie.

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Wow.

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Now my feathers are ruffled.

Host:

Kingdom of the crystal skull.

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This is crazy.

Host:

And, and fifth.

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And this is really like four a.

Host:

And four b in a lot of ways.

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I'm not even mad that you hate a template.

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I'm mad that you like dial that much.

Host:

Actually, I really, I really did not mind dial at all.

Host:

I think dial is so much better than crystal Skull.

Host:

I mean, I think the top two are great.

:

You think the movie where they stick the iconic figure that they put Indiana Jones in shitty video game for the first 20 fucking minutes isn't disrespectful?

Host:

I loved.

Host:

I loved the de aging of it.

Host:

I did not mind it at all.

Host:

I felt like I was watching the missing.

Host:

I felt like I was missing the Indiana Jones.

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I don't even care if it's done well, it still doesn't look good.

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Like, it looks good for what it is, but that doesn't mean that it looks good.

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He's laggy behind everything, sluggish.

:

And again, it takes your main fucking character and turns him into a video game for the first 20 minutes.

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Crazy.

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Wholeheartedly agree with you.

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Be I just want to.

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I'm on your page.

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Yes.

Host:

And I listen to our episode be that you said earlier today.

Host:

So that's.

Host:

That's how I feel.

Host:

I think that crystal Skull has some really, I think crystal skull ideas in it.

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That execution, cool ideas.

Host:

There's so much.

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There's so much.

Host:

There's some stuff I really dislike.

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Stuff I just like about your watching.

Host:

It now where I just going back there again.

Host:

And the problem I have a dial of destiny is that the problem I.

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Have with Dial of Destiny is that it treats me like an idiot that's only in it for my money.

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And then it's a schlocky cash grab that looks like plastic and it has.

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It's offensive enough to be boring.

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How do you really boring Indiana Jones movie.

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I agree with you.

:

And and I'm sure I was kind of overly merciful to dial in my first review because I just seen it.

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But I agree with what you're saying.

:

And if it's any consolation, dial of Destiny didn't did poorly in the worldwide box office.

:

And the it is a constellation with a whimper.

:

So one star.

:

Yeah.

Host:

Okay.

Host:

Well, there you have our fortune and glory.

:

I like that you take big swings.

:

I like that about you.

Host:

And take it.

Host:

Take it as you will.

Host:

This segment went very long.

Host:

So I think what we might do is let's not worry about what we've been watching for the last month because that's going along.

Host:

I'd like to mention, let's transition to anything that we're looking forward to this month.

Host:

And it just kind of tease what we're going to be going into in our next retrospective series.

Host:

But maybe just one or two things that we are looking forward to in the month of October.

Host:

B any films this upcoming month that radar?

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Yeah, for sure.

:

Every like late September into October.

:

I do.

:

Do you guys know the Hooptober challenge?

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No.

:

So it's a thing on letterbox that one of the users started like eleven years ago and it's 31 movies in the month of October and it's to honor Tobe Hooper.

:

And so there's all these different categories that you have to hit in the genre of horror.

:

And it's gotten me, I love horror, but I was very firmly in like eighties horror and jalo, those were like, those were the two horror things I knew.

:

So it's gotten me to broaden my horizons a lot.

:

And this month we have to do six countries, eight decades, we have to do three films from new world pictures.

:

We've got to do all kinds of fun stuff, like four italian films, some indian films.

:

I've fallen in love with indian horror.

:

So just, I'm excited to do that challenge, keep up with it.

Host:

That's great.

Host:

I'm looking at it right now.

Host:

There are a lot of these I have not seen, but there are some cool ones here.

Host:

I saw the devil is great if you saw that one already.

Host:

But I see that's on the list.

:

You can pick your own in those categories too.

:

You don't have to watch whatever anyone else is watching, which is fine.

Host:

Speaking of horror movies, they're one of the movies that I'm looking forward to.

:

I'm not, you know, I'm not the.

Host:

Biggest horror guy and I don't watch every horror movie that comes out.

Host:

ay is that when I saw back in:

Host:

And you know, maybe it's original, but not, maybe not really, but it's doing what other films in the genre I've already done, but it's so good at creating an eerie atmosphere, an easy feeling, but smile.

Host:

Two is coming out on this, this month and it's bringing back the same writer director, Parker Finn.

Host:

And this time, the central protagonist is a pop singer who begins to experience the same horrors.

Host:

I'm guessing it's going to lean into all the pressures of celebrity culture, which I think will be really interesting.

Host:

So I'm looking forward to that this month.

Host:

So, yeah, that's one of the things that I'm looking forward to.

Host:

Sam, anything that is on your radar.

Host:

Sorry, you were about in the middle of.

Host:

I didn't see what you're doing, Sam, is.

:

You know, I think, I'm sure there is.

:

To be honest, there's.

:

There's a lot of holiday fare that I'm looking forward to.

:

I don't really know that much about October, I will say, I guess Joker two.

:

Joker Folly Ado.

:

Folly Adobe.

Host:

I do.

:

Even though it's not a movie, I think there is at least one or two remaining episodes of Rings of Power coming out in October, and I've been enjoying that, and there is a ton of hate towards that show where I just kind of just try to.

:

But I understand its shortcomings.

:

But I think what they're doing is improving.

:

The season's so much better.

:

It's so much better.

:

And I kind of like, maybe just because there's just a lot more to see and to do, but I kind of like this show maybe a little bit better than the Hobbit films in some ways, because I feel like Lord of the Rings is on top.

:

This show goes into the lore.

:

I don't think the Hobbit movies are bad, but as someone who just pours over those maps in that world and just really gets into it, I just even derive pleasure when they go to places that I've read about but never seen, and I see them in the.

:

I mean, you talk about, like, CGI and visual effects.

:

I think the show is stunningly incredible looking.

:

I mean, on my, like, television in filmmaker mode, it just.

:

It just blows me away.

:

I understand the issues and some of the characterization, but I'm just on board for that journey, so I would say that.

:

And again, I kind of feel like I didn't really do much research for October.

:

I'm sure there's something coming out that I know about.

:

There's more films that I'm interested, but they're like November and December releases, so I'm not really well informed.

:

Yeah.

:

Gladiator two.

:

There's just more.

:

I feel like it's going to get denser, but I feel like there's going to be a really good sleeper in.

:

October as well, I'm a little off.

:

The mark, but that's just kind of where I'm at at the moment.

Host:

Okay.

Host:

Yeah, I got one other thing.

Host:

Yeah, but Anthony, is there anything you.

:

Streaming and one in the theaters.

:

But if box office and reaction of people coming out, I definitely want to go see the substance.

:

Yeah.

:

Seems to be all everyone's talking about.

:

And it's crazy.

:

It's insane.

:

It's this and that.

:

So I'm going to.

:

I don't know anything about it.

:

I try and I try and know as little about I go and see them, I find it much better.

:

I don't want to know titles if I don't have to, but that's that.

:

And then on Netflix, I've been really enjoying a show called what's next to the Future with Bill Gates that talks a lot about technology in the future and AI and different things like that.

:

That's a very exciting series.

:

And then someone that loved WWF professional wrestling from the age of six to the age of 16, there's a documentary called Mister McMahon coming out on Netflix about Vince McMahon and WWF WWE.

:

So those three things are highlights.

:

Anthony, did you like the Iron Claw?

:

Do you see that one?

:

I love the Iron Claw, but it really bothered me that they left one of the brothers out.

:

Left out one of the brothers.

Host:

Not as good as no holds barred.

:

Close.

Host:

Not as good as no holds barred.

:

I did recently watch no holds barred with my son.

:

So we're just rewatching the rock and saw connection now.

:

No, I cried at ironclad.

:

It was great.

:

It was very powerful and sad.

:

But I don't know how you make a movie and leave a real.

Host:

Leave out a brother out of it.

:

Yeah, like, I don't know.

:

Weird.

Host:

I know.

:

I am hoping to get tickets to.

:

Boston Symphony Orchestra is doing a showing of Nosferatu with a live organ.

:

So I'm hoping to get tickets that get in mood for the new Eggers movie.

:

Is that in October?

:

Yeah, I know.

:

I think it's November.

:

I was gonna say, cuz I definitely want to see that.

Audience Member:

Yeah.

:

Oh, yeah.

Host:

Yeah.

Host:

And I mentioned just one, I think other thing I was gonna gonna.

Host:

What's the other thing here a nora is the new Sean Baker movie coming out October 18.

Host:

I know nothing about it, though.

Host:

All I know is that Sean Baker is the director of it.

Host:

And so I am already all in.

Host:

And that's all I want to know.

Host:

The other thing is Saturday night is directed by Jason Reitman.

Host:

And I do know a little bit about this.

Host:

,:

Host:

I've been really hot and cold with Jason Reitman over the past decade.

Host:

I think the last film I really liked was Tully, which was, I think, charlie, I thought was really good.

Host:

Yeah.

Host:

Yes.

Host:

But this one has me excited because he's finally passed both the Ghostbusters films, neither of which I was all that keen on.

Host:

I don't think they were really movies in his wheelhouse.

Host:

I think those should have been somebody.

:

Else that did those.

Host:

But here he's back to his comedy roots.

Host:

And I have.

Host:

I've heard mixed things about this as far as it's coming out of Telluride, but I'm hoping, I'm holding out hope that, especially when I look at the.

Host:

There's a really great young cast that's in this, that it's gonna be an exciting film.

Host:

So this is.

Host:

Yes.

Host:

Something I'm looking forward to this upcoming month.

Host:

And that.

Host:

That's October 11 that comes out.

Host:

So.

Host:

Yeah, so, yeah.

Host:

So a couple things that we are all looking forward to in the month of October.

Host:

And hopefully this is something that at the end of this month, we will give some thoughts on that we've caught up on.

Host:

So there you go.

Host:

So coming up next week, we are going to begin our next retrospective series, gothic horror.

Host:

So this was something we all decided on.

Host:

This will be kind of fun.

Host:

We have three films in this retrospective.

Host:

we're doing Angel Heart, the:

:

In every one of those movies, one of us hasn't seen them, which will be fun.

:

Oh, cool.

Host:

Yeah, yeah.

Host:

And I.

Host:

Angel Heart, I have is the.

Host:

aven't seen Angel Heart since:

Host:

So it's been like 22 years.

:

You haven't seen Sweeney Todd, a lot of fun.

Host:

So.

:

Okay.

:

Yeah.

Host:

I have never seen Sweeney Todd.

Host:

I haven't seen, as I mentioned last week when I.

Host:

When I was talking about Beetlejuice.

Host:

Beetlejuice.

Host:

It's the first Tim Burton movie I've seen, I think my favorite Tim Burton.

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Big fish next to pee wee.

Host:

Yeah.

:

Yeah.

Host:

So it's been.

Host:

Yeah, I have a lot of Tim Burton to catch up on, so this will be a.

Host:

This would be nice.

Host:

So.

Host:

Okay.

Host:

I think that's it.

Host:

And I'll do.

:

Enjoy.

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Dial of destiny.

:

Thank you again.

:

This has been a lot of fun.

:

Why don't we get to our main review, Indiana Jones and the dial of Destiny.

Host:

I miss the desert.

Host:

I miss the sea.

:

And I miss waking up every morning wondering what wonderful adventure the new day.

Narrator:

Will bring to us.

Host:

Those days have come and gone.

Host:

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Host:

I don't believe in magic, but a few times in my life I've seen things, things I can't explain.

:

And I've come to believe it's not.

Host:

So much what you believe is how hard you believe it.

:

Ellie, I miss you singing in our shows.

:

You used to do that more.

Audience Member:

I did.

Audience Member:

I did.

Audience Member:

I don't know why I don't do it.

Audience Member:

I used to dance a lot, too, and just post him.

Audience Member:

Just like singing and dancing like an idiot.

Audience Member:

My singing is horrible, but in my mind, I think I'm a great singer.

Host:

Well, we just heard a clip from.

:

The trailer of Indiana Jones in the dial of Destiny, which came out a couple weeks ago.

Host:

And.

:

You know, it got middling reviews, I guess you could say.

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Audiences, I think, liked it.

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But let's find out what we thought of the fifth installment of the Indiana Jones films.

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This one was not directed by Steven Spielberg.

Host:

But let's.

Host:

Hold on here.

Host:

Here is my.

Audience Member:

I forget who directed this one.

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James.

Audience Member:

Oh, that's right.

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Yeah.

Audience Member:

Yeah.

Host:

And it will be.

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So I'd like to hear what everyone thought about his directing.

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And did he channel Steven Spielberg in this film?

Host:

That'll be interesting to hear.

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So anyways, who would like to begin with their thoughts on dial Destiny?

Audience Member:

I hope not.

Audience Member:

I like to him, I like for him to be individually outside Spielberg.

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Well, there's that.

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He certainly was.

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I think there was a lot of pressure on him to, like, capture the, to capture Steven Spielberg's look and vibe of the past films.

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So.

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But we'll get to that.

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Let's begin.

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Let's begin.

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What is.

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Who like Ellie, jump in.

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I'm throwing you in.

Audience Member:

Well, I actually, I heard that a lot of people didn't like it, that critics didn't like it.

Audience Member:

And I really don't really care what critics think, say or do because I don't go by their advice.

Audience Member:

I do my own thing.

Audience Member:

I watch the film.

Audience Member:

And if I really, if it hits me in a certain way, I'm gonna say that I loved it and he hit me innocent way.

Audience Member:

So I loved it.

Audience Member:

I loved the adventure and the action.

Audience Member:

I especially.

Audience Member:

Oh, no, I don't want to say it here.

Audience Member:

I'm gonna say it in the other side.

Audience Member:

Well, I.

Audience Member:

Special.

Audience Member:

Well, I love to.

Audience Member:

You know, I.

Audience Member:

I think Harrison Ford as a handsome.

Audience Member:

Oh, man.

Audience Member:

Okay.

Audience Member:

And, yeah, he took on my fellow.

Audience Member:

Is that.

Audience Member:

He said, I'm sorry.

Audience Member:

Is that how he is?

Audience Member:

How you say it?

Audience Member:

I don't know.

Audience Member:

I'm not good with expressions in English.

Audience Member:

Apparently not, because Nathan is, like, over there.

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That got Nathan, by the way, random, random comment.

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I'm actually really a nice guy, and if you watch previous podcasts, you won't see evil Sam.

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So I apologize.

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My week was truly, truly terrible, but I won't go into it.

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That's why I can't.

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Projecting is wrong, and any human that projects their own emotions needs to not do that.

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So I'm gonna stop, too.

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Yeah.

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And if you're weak and if you're sad or if you're unhappy, don't burden your friends.

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Pay the money for a therapist because no one wants you.

Audience Member:

Or get a journal and write, show.

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Up a dough and go, oops.

Audience Member:

In any case, I love Harrison for.

Audience Member:

I think it's really cool to see him some.

Audience Member:

Some moves at his age.

Audience Member:

Enjoy.

Host:

You think that was him?

Audience Member:

Okay.

Audience Member:

Not the big moves, obviously, but the little moves that he can do because he moves very slowly now.

Audience Member:

But, oh, God, the man is just hot.

Audience Member:

Anyway.

Audience Member:

But I think for me, it gave me nostalgic vibes from when I first saw the movie in the eighties.

Audience Member:

The very first movie, which I love.

Audience Member:

I love, I love.

Audience Member:

And I sitting in that cinema watching the beginning of the movie, and I'm not gonna say what.

Audience Member:

I don't know if I can say what the beginning looks like, but just the beginning, it just brought me back to, like I told Carlos, I was like, I feel like I'm back in the eighties.

Audience Member:

Like, I feel like I'm watching this and I'm in a whatever.

Audience Member:

When did that movie come out?

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1981.

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Was raised.

Audience Member:

Yeah, I feel like.

Audience Member:

ke I'm back at that cinema in:

Audience Member:

And it was just really cool to have those vibes inside.

Audience Member:

I really loved it.

Audience Member:

Yeah.

Audience Member:

So that's it.

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Okay, Sam, what do you say?

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So I'll start with the positive.

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I liked Harrison Ford a lot.

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I thought that he said at some point in an interview that he was interested in going a little deeper into Indy's character, and he wanted to kind of analyze it, and he felt that he had one more film in him.

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I definitely agree with that.

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I thought his performance was great.

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I will say I found it to be a slight improvement.

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On Crystal Skull because I thought the screenplay was.

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Was flowier, I felt that.

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But even though the action scenes and set pieces kind of underwhelmed me, and I'll get to that.

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I thought the way in which they began, in which Harrison and Indy and the manner in which the plot moved forward was very smooth.

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I felt that Crystal Skull has a lot of really chunky, expository start and stop dialogue.

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And the pace of that movie is kind of.

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I thought this movie was flowier than Crystal Skull.

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I will say, though, personally, I really, really felt the absence of Steven Spielberg's direction.

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And I think that James Mangold was trying, and I think he's an excellent director.

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With Ford versus Ferrari and Logan and a lot of other movies, this film, I felt like he was sweating bullets to just kind of do a kind of competent job.

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Everyone, this is not a spoiler, but everyone talks about the de age opening scene on the train.

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I thought that was okay.

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But for me, Steven Spielberg has such an operatic ballet kind of musical sense of action.

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Whereas if you look back to something like last Crusade where there's the revolving fireplace when they're spinning around and they go into the nazi room and they turn around and the door goes halfway, there's all this amazing choreography and these wide shots.

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And I felt that.

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That Spielberg touch towards the action was not in this film.

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Even though the.

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The action was not bad to me.

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It just felt more like kind of standard, big blockbuster, solid, good action.

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So my review is.

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Is positive, but I was not.

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I did not.

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I wanted to feel more of that nostalgic spark that Ellie, that you felt.

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And I'm glad you felt that because I wanted to feel that.

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I just didn't quite.

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I.

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When it showed the title screen and said Indiana Jones, the dial of Destiny and it's just like this dark room of, like, nazi treasures.

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It just seemed like such a flat kind of beginning and they didn't do the Paramount mountain switching into something, so, which is not a big deal.

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But it was weird with Disney opening it, wasn't it?

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Yeah, it was just.

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It was just a little weird.

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And.

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And I saw it on an IMAX in Providence place and it honestly seemed to.

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Some scenes felt a little, like, blurry and dark to me.

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But that might have been the projection.

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So I would give it like, I would give it a b.

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I liked Harrison and I thought I was glad to see him in one last movie.

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But there's something a little bit lackluster about this film, even though I did see not all of it.

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But I did see, like, the whole second half of Crystal Skull, like the other night of.

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And I was watching it, and it had all the Spielberg shots.

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I thought, wait a minute.

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Have I given this movie a bad rap?

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Then the bad CGI comes in and Shia LaBeouf and the monkeys and the ants.

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And I was like, no, no, no, no.

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I remember this.

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This is not that great, in my opinion.

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I thought the fifth one was an improvement.

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So that's kind of where I stand in general.

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Like.

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Like cautiously happy, but not.

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Not blown away.

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I gotta be honest.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

Audience Member:

You know, I think, Sam, I think.

Audience Member:

I think for me, it's because I go to the movies and I don't.

Audience Member:

I don't walk in there thinking about what to expect.

Audience Member:

I wait to be surprised.

Audience Member:

So I have no expectations of any film.

Audience Member:

I just go in there to see if I like it.

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And if I don't like it, it's like, boo.

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But then I'm the same exact way.

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And so me talking about this, this was actually the way it just felt.

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Just sitting there and watching it.

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No expectations.

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Everything of how I reviewed the movie, that's just how I organically felt with one viewing.

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Watching it without thinking too much.

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Yeah, I just.

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That stuff just.

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Just absorbs, like, shot choices and angles.

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Like, it really.

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It hits me hard every single time.

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That's why I like directing so much.

Audience Member:

Because you're in love with Steven Spielberg.

Audience Member:

Face it.

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Well, his filmmaking is just.

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There's nothing I've seen like it, where he uses his camera in a way that no other director has ever done.

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And it's so subtle and amazing, and I can't.

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I can put a finger on it, but it would, like, take a book to write about it.

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And, like, people do that.

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Like, people have written books about Spielberg, but he just has this.

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There's just.

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I also miss, you know, I know being a stuntman or a stunt woman is very dangerous, but I miss these shots where there's a shot in last crusade where if you look at my arm, the tank is in the foreground like this.

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Indy is literally riding up on a hill behind the tank.

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And in a wide shot, this the gut.

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The stuntman jumps off the horse and lands on the tank.

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And you see it in this big shot.

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So there's this kind of Spielberg structure where you just see things happen before your eyes and you go, wow, that was amazing.

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This movie, you can cut to death.

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You can feel cut, cut tricks.

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Like, you know, when Indy, like, fly jumps from one tuk tuk to another?

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Tuk tuk.

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And, you know, he switches vehicles and it goes by so quick.

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You're like, was that a stunt?

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Was that CGI?

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I can't tell what I was looking at there.

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And so.

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And that is not the case, especially with the first three.

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There are spectacular stunts in those original movies that are amazing even today.

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And I miss practical stuff.

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In a positive note, Dial of Destiny is not a CGI fest.

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It just has a look of like a standard modern blockbuster.

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And it's a weird.

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I.

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I don't know, that's.

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Yeah, that's me.

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So to prepare for this film, and I think I mentioned this in the last episode, I did watch the previous four films because that's what I do.

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And I did.

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I actually rewatched Crystal Skull for the first time since seeing it in the theater because I felt like I forgot almost everything about that film.

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e seeing it in the theater in:

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And this is, this is not a crystal Skull review podcast.

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But I will say that at the time I felt like I came out of that relatively positive.

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And I felt like, well, okay, I got the indie experience that I have been missing for like 19 years or whatever it was.

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And in hindsight, I don't think it's as good as I remembered it.

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And as you said, there's some really bad CGI in that.

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Those monkeys are terrible.

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And Shia labouf like, swinging from vines and like, there's some geography that just doesn't make any sense with that scene.

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And yeah, it's.

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It's not great.

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It's not great, but it is.

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Spoiler for later.

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It is not the worst Indiana Jones movie, dude.

Audience Member:

I didn't see that later.

Audience Member:

I only saw one and that's it.

Audience Member:

And.

Audience Member:

And the one that this year came out, that's all I've seen.

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You've only seen two of the movies.

Audience Member:

I only saw the first one and the last one and nothing between.

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All right, we're gonna stop you right there anyway, okay.

Audience Member:

I dc too.

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Anyways.

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Anyways.

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You just threw off my whole game, Ellie.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sure that.

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I know, I just.

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Cuz I'm a telepathic by worst indie, you probably are gonna put Temple Doom is my 2nd second to first favorite.

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I love that film and I can't wait to defend it because it's a good movie.

Audience Member:

I know.

Audience Member:

I just wanted to see your face.

Audience Member:

Nathan.

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And the guys on red, if you google red letter media, YouTube, watch their review of Temple of Doom, they agree with me.

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They've got millions of views.

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So anyways, but.

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So I went to see Dial of Destiny, and what was the most important thing, see this movie is that I took my dad because one of my very, I think my first theatrical experience that I can remember is seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark with my dad.

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I know it's not the first movie I saw with my dad, because I think the first movie I saw with my dad was Star the motion picture.

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Oh, wow.

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And I think he.

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I.

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I made him take Lee.

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I think we left in the movie, middle of the movie because the movie was so boring.

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Cause I was young, like, dad, this is not Star wars.

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This is so boring.

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I want to go home.

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I think we left in the middle of the movie, so I don't think we finished the movie because I was, like, crying in the theater.

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The motion picture is.

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Wait, you walked.

Audience Member:

You walked out of the movie because you thought it was boring.

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Listen, I was probably.

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Star Trek the motion picture has a ten minute docking sequence where it's, like, kirk is approaching, and he's, like, looking out the window.

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Then it cuts.

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He's getting closer to the ship, back to his face.

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Oh, and then we fly around the ship.

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Nope, that's not the end.

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Five more minutes until they get to the hatch.

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When you're like, or whatever.

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However old I was, and you are the biggest Star wars fan, and you're like, yeah, take me to see Star Trek.

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It's got star in it.

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And, of course, I probably had been.

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Somewhat familiar with the tv show, which was ten times more exciting than the movie.

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All right, I'll say.

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Quick comment.

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That movie was hugely expensive.

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Like, if that was a $40 million movie that costs more than return of the Jedi, like, five years later.

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And there's so much, like, budget into the set, but the movie is, like, airless.

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Anyway.

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So I heard.

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Yeah, but, yeah, so.

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So this is why I'm saying that Raiders of the Lost Ark is probably the first movie that we completed in the theater.

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And what I also remember from that experience my dad took me to see this is that that movie also scared the hell out of me, because if everyone remembers, the final scene in that is everyone's face melts at the end of the spoiler on a 42 year old movie.

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But that gave me nightmares, because, no, I expected that to happen.

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What's crazy?

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I love that scene so much.

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When I was a kid, I saw it when I was a kid in kindergarten, I drew the face melting scene from my, like, kindergarten class picture.

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The teacher saw it.

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It was every.

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Every other student was like, pictures of heartland and bunnies.

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They saw mine.

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It's a bunch of Nazis with their face melting.

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I threw it in praying, and they had a parent teacher conference.

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They're like, we're worried about.

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Your son is a little like.

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And my dad was like, no, he just loves Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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He's just imitating the movie.

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But I don't know.

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But still, I think that also solidified to me that experience, because it was so, such a.

Host:

You know what?

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I'm a big fan of the movie inside out, where you make these core memories.

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You know how that.

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And that is a core memory of mine, seeing raiders of the Lost Ark with my father in a movie theater in, I think, Madison, Connecticut, when I was seven years old or so, or six years old.

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I don't remember.

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And that I've remembered my entire life, him taking me, probably, to my first real movie or so, where I made it the whole time.

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I think I saw Star wars also probably in the movie theater.

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I just don't really remember.

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But I remember this.

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It's the first time I remember it.

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So this is a really special thing for me.

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And I've seen every single Indiana Jones movie at the theater with my dad since then.

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And I know that this is the last Indiana Jones movie with Harrison Ford, so I knew that I had to take him, and I took him.

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This is the first time where I took him to the movies.

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So this was a very emotional experience because my dad also is 78 years old and probably is.

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I may never take him to see another Indiana Jones movie again, you know?

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So I am, as I'm watching this with him, it was a very, very emotional time.

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And when this movie started, and I don't think this is spoiling anything, but, you know, the beginning of this movie is a de aged Harrison Ford.

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And what I will say is, I didn't expect so much of the movie to be a de aged Harrison Ford.

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And I'd say the whole first act is that, which shocked me.

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I thought it was gonna be like, a little.

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Maybe a few minutes of it, or.

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And I loved that whole part of the movie.

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I thought it was some of the best de aging I had ever seen.

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What they didn't do, which was interesting, is do anything with his voice.

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It was still young Harrison Ford with.

Host:

Like, 81 year old voice, which was a little weird, but make it younger.

Audience Member:

Too, if they wanted to.

Audience Member:

Don't they have?

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Oh, they could.

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They could have if they wanted to, but maybe that would have.

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I don't know why they didn't.

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But.

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But anyways, watching that younger version of that, I love that whole train sequence and everything that was going on, I felt like a seven year old again.

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Like we were watching not Razor, the Lost Ark, but like another multiverse movie of Harrison Ford.

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Like maybe this came out in:

Audience Member:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Audience Member:

That's exactly how I felt, too, about that whole sequence.

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I felt like a kid watching Harrison Ford making a sequel that never came out a few years later.

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this was the lost movie from:

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Or I dare say a better something that instead of Temple of Doom, this movie came out.

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You know, I want, I want, I want a whole.

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I want a two hour version of this.

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This de aging I thought was so good.

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version of Harrison Ford from:

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I could have watched that.

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I thought this was so good.

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I wanted to like that scene.

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But the CGI and the way it was shot and the fact that it.

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Wasn'T Spielberg, I was just like, nah.

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Didn'T bother me at all.

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I liked it just fine.

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But I was completely wrapped up in it.

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My heart was fluttering.

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I was there.

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And it might have just been my circumstance.

Host:

Sitting there in the theater next to my dad.

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I felt like giddy, like, dude, no, no, wait.

Audience Member:

It wasn't just you.

Audience Member:

That's exactly how I felt, though.

Audience Member:

I was telling Carlos that, like, Carlos is sitting next to me and I was like, I feel like I'm back in nine.

Audience Member:

tally felt like I was back in:

Audience Member:

Whatever.

Audience Member:

Two now watching another movie of the rated, you know, like Indiana Jones, I.

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hink it's supposed to be like:

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It's supposed to be like eight years later or something like that.

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He's supposed to be in his mid forties, so it could have been.

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But anyways, it doesn't matter.

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But it.

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And I know not everybody agrees with that.

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There's some people, I've read some things about people complaining about that scene, but it.

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I was lost in the emotions of that moment and I got caught up in it.

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And it was my personal situation.

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My personal circumstance.

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I got choked up.

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I absolutely got choked up in that.

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And I do maybe wish that it wasn't so dark the scenes, because it was.

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Yeah, because it was all the CGI.

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Like if they had gotten a real train and had like, real track and actually it was, but not, I mean, you know, when they land and they look up and at the, you know, the whole, like, layout, there's just a lot of augmentation.

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They're hiding CGI in the darkness there.

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I get it.

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I wasn't fooled by it.

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If I'll take raiders, Temple of Doom, you know, last crusade, that's where the practical rich thing wants CGI, augmentation, rainy, nighttime things, and is fine for a video game, but there's so many other better.

Host:

I didn't even know, but I saw.

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That, and I'm like, fine, steal my heart, I don't care.

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I take it, because I.

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I needed.

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I needed that moment.

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No, I needed that moment.

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But anyways, I haven't really gotten to the movie, and I don't want to take too much time, because I just, just feel like I'm scratching the surface here.

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But as far as the film, I thought the, the.

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I really did like this film a lot.

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I thought this was a much better improvement over Crystal Skull in general.

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I think this was, not to get into details of the ending, but I thought this was extremely good send off for Indy's character.

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Much better than Crystal skull in hindsight.

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I don't like the way Crystal Skull ended his character, and I think this had so much great to say about his character at the end.

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We'll get to that.

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Because if I felt like I had a couple endings for his character where I was like, oh, this is where they're going with it, and then, like, whoa.

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And then they kind of pulled the rug out, and then, and then it even, like, gave me another ending that I thought was even more brilliant.

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So it did a couple things that I just thought were the very well done.

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There's a lot I want to say about the third act in this that I have.

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I'm still mixed on what, what they did and what they could have done that I think would have been so much better.

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But overall, I want to say that this movie, despite what critics and some people are complaining about, I thought was very, very good.

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I had great time with this.

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I loved Phoebe Waller Bridge in this.

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I thought she was perfect for this movie as a sidekick to Harrison Ford in this.

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I liked her in Fleabag a lot.

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That was one of my favorite shows.

Host:

From a couple years ago.

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Although I didn't know if I really liked her arc in this, but I like her as an actress a lot.

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I thought this other side character, there was a boy in this, I think Teddy.

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I was a little, I felt like there was, I didn't think maybe his character was fully fleshed out, and some of the who's I'm sorry, I'm blanking on the.

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The bad guy in this, who I love as an actor, mads Mikkelsen.

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I like him and everything.

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Yeah, he was good, but him in his henchmen, I feel like there's, who's.

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There's another actor that is great in.

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Things, and you're talking about, I can't remember his name off the top my head.

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He is great and stuff, and his name is.

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I can't find it now.

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But they, I don't think they really gave great service to some of the supporting cast in this.

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Antonio Banderas is one of my all time favorite actors.

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They completely do a disservice to his character.

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He is interested in this movie, and it's like, oh, indy, my favorite pal from going back so many years.

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Like, where's the history with you guys?

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And I thought Salo would come on the adventure as opposed to, oh, my God.

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Coming.

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Go for it.

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Back to the library.

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The walk on cameo, that didn't really bother me that much, but it was like.

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It was kind of like just he'd show up and show your face.

Host:

Oh.

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Boyd Holbrook is the character I'm thinking of who has such a great face, and I really liked him, but there's some of the.

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The Mad Mickelsons henchmen I just felt like, were just kind of, like, not fleshed out and not that they should.

Host:

Have been, but there's.

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There was more to this movie, I think, that they could have done with some of these side characters that I would have loved to have them to have explored.

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But overall, I think this is a great improvement over Crystal Skull, is how I'll leave it for now until we get the spoilers.

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And, oh, last thing.

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I'll say the score.

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I thought it was okay.

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It was nice.

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It was nice to get John Williams back in there.

Host:

Serviceable.

Host:

Didn't really do anything new.

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It was fine.

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It was.

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I mean, it was.

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John Williams is always amazing, but he was kind of playing greatest hits.

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Yeah.

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And, like, on the train, he'd, like, awkwardly weave in some, like, last Crusade bits, and it was just like, oh, all right.

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Yeah.

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Nostalgia, clickbait, CGI, money train.

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You know, guess that fools some people, but I like practical stuff.

Host:

Yeah.

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Why don't we get to spoilers now?

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Are we in spoilers?

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We're in spoilers for Dial of Destiny.

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Haha.

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Shia labouf died.

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I know.

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Aren't we kind of sad?

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Is anybody kind of sad?

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Like, we never got that.

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Shia LaBeouf, like, yeah, no, I didn't dislike him.

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I disliked how the filmmakers, like, viciously got rid of him.

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They're like, oh, yeah, you want to come back?

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We killed you in Vietnam.

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No money for, you know, I know that from other projects, so I'm sure he's fine.

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Artless.

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Yeah, it was, it was rough, but.

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It was, it was not even a picture.

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Not even a picture in the frame somewhere.

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Right.

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And it's sad because he's such a major character and, like Crystal Skull, so that he gets killed off screen in the war.

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It's just like, aw.

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Yeah.

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I didn't, but I thought he was decent in, I didn't hate him in Crystal Skull.

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I felt a little bad he wasn't there, but I just was kind of, it was such a dismissive way to get rid of him.

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I was like, oh, that's sad, you.

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Know, but I think it's, it served the character well.

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I like how they used it to explain why Miriam and Indy are separated, and so they used it properly, I would say.

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Yeah.

Host:

So what do we want to talk.

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About in spoilers here?

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Because I think that, I mean, there's a lot I want to see about the third act, but anything about the adventure here or the characters.

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How would we like to start this year?

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I have a lot to say about the third act, but I thought that.

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I mean, when he was, like, transported back in time, that was interesting.

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It ended so abruptly, but I thought it was kind of a decent part of the third act.

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A lot of the story, I thought, was, because aside from those, that and the third act, I can't think of many major spoilers because most of the movie is kind of like, sleek, decently well executed chases.

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They go, they run to this place.

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They run to this place.

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They almost get caught.

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They run to another place.

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It's just like the template.

Audience Member:

There really, really isn't much to spoil it.

Audience Member:

I mean, except for, you know, you've already said before the spoilers that he was the age, so I thought.

Audience Member:

I didn't talk about it because I thought that was, would have been a spoiler.

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But all over the trailers that, yeah.

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De aging did look really good.

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Like, I can't deny that it was funny when he talked and his voice didn't.

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But, I mean, I will say the de aging has come a long way.

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I remember being impressed when, like, Moff Tarkin was back in rogue one and, or, like, they brought back the dead actor, and at the time, it looked amazing.

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Now I look at it, and it looks like a video game face.

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So we're getting, you know, we acclimate as the technology gets better and better.

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What you remember looking amazing.

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You look back and you go, ooh.

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That wasn't as great as I remembered it because it keeps improving.

Audience Member:

Yeah.

Audience Member:

But this de age, it looks great.

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So did look really good.

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Yeah, it really did.

Audience Member:

I first I thought it's like, is that from the beginning I was thinking, like, how did they shoot that back then and now?

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Like, and I really, I do understand that you got why you guys like the train sequence.

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And I wanted to, too.

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I just, I just was, was happy when I don't like to, like, side with critics and be negative.

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I was just happy to read articles out there where people felt the way that I felt because I was like, yeah, that's unfortunately how I felt, but I always want to be transported and engaged.

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I mean, I love movies in general.

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I have Ebola.

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I'm sorry.

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Just kidding.

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I don't.

Host:

So, so I mentioned, like, things.

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There's a couple, like, I thought that, like I was saying before, the characters, I think, really weren't fleshed out.

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Some of them, like, I'm really still bothered by Antonio Banderas.

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He is.

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And he, I, first of all, I didn't recognize him number one.

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Yeah, me neither.

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Yeah.

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And it took me, like, I think, two scenes to realize that, oh, that's, oh, yeah.

Audience Member:

The minute up and I, his mouth, I knew it was him dispatched so.

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Unceremoniously in this movie, too.

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I want, I wish that he would have kind of come along on the adventure some more.

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And I love Antonio Banderas since, like, desperado and even before that and some of his earlier work.

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And I was just so sad that he's just, like, such an afterthought in this movie.

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Like, how did he get in this movie?

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Like, does he have a, does he go back with, like, James Mangold in some movies?

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I don't know.

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Like, what is he doing in this movie?

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You know, one, you talk about that.

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I totally agree with you.

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And you talk about act, you know, the scene when they, and I don't remember the exact, like, plot reason, but they walk up like a hill and they go into that cave and there's the whole, like, cavernous scene with the bugs and this that I thought was, was really good.

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And I almost wanted that to be fleshed out a bit more.

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I felt that the movie kind of jumps from set piece to set piece, and I was like, instead of five okay, set pieces, I would have loved, like, two or three amazing ones.

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And it's funny talking about being sensitive to shots.

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When they're approaching that cave, there's a shot where they're just.

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They're walking up towards it, and the camera's, like, moving up over their shoulders, and you see, like, cliff walls.

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You can tell that they're really outside somewhere, and you can feel the lack of manipulation in that shot.

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Mm hmm.

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elt like I was transported to:

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It looked like that, and then it felt like that, and then it was like.

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And now to a set.

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I just.

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Yeah, I don't know if you.

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I'm very sensitive towards.

Audience Member:

I didn't notice any of that.

Audience Member:

I was just watching the movie, stuff like that.

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Like.

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Like, you know, even.

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Even if you're even put this way, even if you're not a fan of.

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And I'll just go.

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There's a random combo.

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Go right back on track.

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But even if you're not a fan of Temple of doom, there's a shot in that movie where Indy comes around a cavernous corner, and it, like, just starts following him.

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And it's over his shoulder.

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And in a single wide shot, the camera reveals the entirety of the temple of doom below him.

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Yes.

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And you're like, whoa.

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It's like a Spielberg version of, like, welcome to hell.

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And I feel this, like, chilling, like.

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And Mangold's framing is good, but it's more like an.

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A close up and an over the shoulder and a.

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Like.

Narrator:

It was.

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The filmmaking was more.

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More was more standard.

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It's more textbook.

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I get it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Not bad, though.

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I'm not like, I didn't hate it.

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I just didn't feel that, like, I wanted to feel.

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I really wanted to feel how you guys felt with that train sequence.

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I wish I did, you know?

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Yeah.

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Let's talk a little bit about the third act.

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Now.

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There's some clever things that happen in this, but.

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But what happens?

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So this dial, the dial of destiny.

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So Mads Mikkelsen gets the two pieces, and that's what's going on here.

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There's this big chase, and they're all over the place trying to get these two pieces, which I thought was relatively well done, how they're.

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They're on this adventure to get these two pieces.

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ink, was to go back to, what,:

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Was it to kill.

Host:

Was it to kill Hitler?

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He wanted to kill Hitler and, like, take over for Hitler.

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So the goal was to go back there, but they end up to 200 BC.

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Now, what's interesting is these are the two.

Host:

These are the.

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We end up there.

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Now, at first, I was like, well, that's interesting.

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I would have liked.

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This is my personal feeling.

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w more of a connection to the:

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What if this all came back to the beginning of our adventures with Indiana Jones?

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Yes, I know.

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Instead, we're on a completely different adventure.

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Like, if this was somehow we brought it back to the beginning, since we're, you know.

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I don't know.

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I was that.

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Always thought that kind of bothered me a little bit, that we could.

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There was an opportunity to bring this full circle, the whole Indiana Jones story.

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That would have been, I think, an amazing opportunity.

Audience Member:

Yeah.

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Instead.

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Instead.

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Instead there were this other whole thing about going, and we ended up in 200 bc, which was still, I thought, pretty fascinating.

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And I love what happens where they're flying these planes.

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st you think you're in, like,:

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You see the boats underneath them and like, wow, they're there.

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ships from:

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Excuse me.

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And then the spear comes in through that plane.

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I.

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I thought it was fantastic how that whole.

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Those scenes are orchestrated, so I know I have great time.

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The way this whole thing happens.

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And then the second plane follows them through.

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Teddy compiled a plane.

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Is that what happens?

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The little boy, I don't know.

Host:

When did he learn to fly to?

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One thing I was not feeling was the, like, I know it's the longest Indiana Jones.

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It seemed to be pretty breezy to me.

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Like, I was.

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As long I was.

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I was on board for the ride.

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Like, I mean, because it's.

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It's.

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It's.

Audience Member:

You thought it was still long.

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It's too.

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It's.

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No, no, it's.

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It's like 2 hours.

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It's the same, I think, isn't it?

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It's the.

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This is 2 hours, 25 minutes.

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Last crusade is 126 minutes in total, including credits.

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But.

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But, okay.

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I would.

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Didn't realize it was the end, and all of a sudden, I was like, oh, it's the end.

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I felt like we crashed into the ending, and I was like, oh, I thought we were at the halfway point.

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I mean, it seemed to kind of just go by to me.

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What did you guys, think about the end.

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I'd like to get your opinions, like, especially the part where they're crashing in 200 BC, and you know what happens?

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You're like, indy is he wants to stay.

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And did you think that was going to be the end of this movie?

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I did.

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I think.

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I thought he was gonna stay back there, and that was gonna be the end.

:

And then when she punched him and brought him back, I was fine with it, but it just seemed kind of like.

:

Like we're in the middle of this big thing going on, and then you get punched out of it, and it's like, okay, back to his New York apartment.

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Great.

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You know, but I understand that it was the personal arc.

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Now he has people that care about.

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Him, you know, and now he has.

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Like, sort of a family unit again.

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So it was, like, a good ending for him, the character.

Audience Member:

Yeah, but if you stayed there without Kim Ir's, he would have changed the whole course of our world.

Host:

There's that.

:

Would he have even survived?

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I mean, he was shot.

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Yeah, he wouldn't.

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You know, you wouldn't have done.

:

Well, there's no, like, modern medicine.

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Like, it would have been rough.

:

He would have probably died within hours.

Audience Member:

But he wanted to die.

Audience Member:

He wanted to stay there because he wanted to die.

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He wanted to die there with.

:

Who was it Archimedes or Archimedes?

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Okay.

:

Yeah, yeah.

Audience Member:

It's achymetes was the guy in my mathematics textbook in my country.

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I was.

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When that.

Host:

When.

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When that was happening there, I was like, my jaw dropped.

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Like, this is perfect.

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This is how India become one with history.

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This is how the character ends, and he become.

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This is.

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This.

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It made so much sense to me, and then I.

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And I was like this.

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I thought the filmmakers were geniuses.

:

When that was about to happen, I did not see the punch coming.

Audience Member:

I didn't either.

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I did not see that coming.

:

Is like, how.

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Because if he.

Host:

When Indy makes up his mind and.

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Like, he was gonna do, like, this is it.

:

And, I mean, it made so much sense.

Host:

Yeah.

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And, like, as much as I had some gripes with the movie and, like.

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Like, I didn't like the fact that, like, we had this convoluted story, like, over in 200 bc, like, what is going on here?

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Why are we here of all places?

:

Like, sure.

Audience Member:

Well, you.

Audience Member:

You went back there because, remember the device.

Host:

I know.

Audience Member:

And Kim Iris, who created the device, I get it.

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Like, as much as I had problems with the whole movie, the last ten minutes of the movie made it all worth it.

:

That's why?

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It was like, oh, I get it now.

:

Went through this weird story to get to this moment here, and the movie went from, like, seriously, like, probably a b to, like, a minus for me, in the last ten minutes of the movie because of the emotional impact of it.

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It was at an a in the beginning, and I think kind of like, the weird stuff that was going in the beginning.

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It was kind of like generic globetrotting.

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A lot of the stuff in the middle with, like, Mads Mikkelsen and like, oh, we're going after this device to get another device.

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To get another device.

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We have to go here.

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We have to go there.

Host:

There.

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There was a lot of that going on.

:

And then when we got to the third act, where we're going through time was like, whoa, we are in uncharted territory.

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We are.

:

We're in an Indiana Jones movie now where I don't know what's going to happen when we're.

:

When we go back 200 bc.

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I'm like, this is insane.

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And this is like, the holy Grail.

:

This is rage.

:

The Lost Ark, where the Ark of the Covenant is overdeveloped.

:

We are now in absolute Wackyville here.

:

This is why I come to these movies.

:

I like the unpredictability of it.

:

It was really exciting.

:

Yeah, yeah.

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So this is what I love about these movies.

:

I come to these kind of movies because this.

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This was, like, something I never expected this movie to go.

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Never expected to be here in this movie.

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And I was so thankful that.

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That they went here because this movie could have done so many cop out, generic things.

:

I think, like, crystal skull kind of did a generic thing at the end, a very ho hum thing at the end of that movie.

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This thing, this movie went someplace I never expected it would.

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And that's why I really.

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I rate this movie very high because of what it did at the end.

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It had the emotional gut punch at the end, and then it gave me another emotional gut punch at the end when.

:

And at the very end, we are back in New York, and we have that.

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He is reunited with Marian, where they have that dance at the end, and he is where he needs to be, you know, to live out the rest of his life.

:

So I teared up at the end.

:

I really did, twice in two places, because I felt like, at first, this.

Host:

Is where he needs to be.

:

Oh, no, this is where he needs to be.

:

So it was like.

:

And then it really.

:

I got chills watching the whole thing.

Host:

But then when it ended, I realized, this is it.

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This is.

Host:

This is where Indy is now.

:

And I.

:

I walked out of the theater knowing that this is where I will leave Indiana Jones.

:

And that's okay.

Audience Member:

Yep.

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And I was really happy with that.

:

I don't feel like it had.

:

It did not feel cheeseball.

:

It felt genuine and authentic, and I felt so good watched having this experience with my dad.

Audience Member:

That was great.

Audience Member:

Yeah, that's good.

:

I'm sorry.

:

I feel like I just kind of hogged this whole conversation.

Host:

I'm sorry.

:

How would you rank the Indiana Jones?

:

Okay, so we'll get to that.

:

You want me to go first?

:

Yeah.

:

Okay.

:

So I will always rank Raiders of the Lost Ark first, because it is that seminal moment, watching.

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I think that is a fact.

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A near perfect movie.

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Yeah.

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Maybe top ten movies of all time.

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Easy.

:

Yeah.

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My second favorite is the last crusade.

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I think just.

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It's.

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You know what's funny?

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When I first saw that movie, Sam, I didn't love it.

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I thought it was just like, oh, it's just.

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It's just a two hour chase movie.

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It's just like we're.

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We're on.

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We're on a zeppelin.

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We're on a boat, we're on a motorcycle.

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We're on a tank.

:

It's like, when does this movie take a breath?

:

And I think that bothered me at first, and now I love it because of the energy that that movie has.

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And it's a kind of a goofy movie, too.

:

Yeah.

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It's a comedy, but now I think I really, really dig it.

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Know my third favorite of the series is this one.

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This is my third favorite Indiana Jones movie, dial Destiny.

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I think it is, and I don't know if many people would say that, but I really, really enjoyed it a lot.

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My fourth.

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All right, I.

:

My fourth day, I was gonna say something different in the beginning of this, but I am gonna change it again just because where I was when I watched it, I think my fourth still has to be Temple of Doom.

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Thank God.

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Thank God you didn't put that above crystal skull, man.

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It would not have come back.

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Because I was.

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Because I was.

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Because when I was mentioning crystal skull before, I was thinking about.

:

There's parts of crystal skull that I think work very, very well.

:

Ultimately, when I think about it, it leaves me just feeling kind of, like, dissatisfied as a whole, where.

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How this crystal skull is a lesser movie because of what dial destiny is.

:

I thank you so much for that seed of joy of not putting.

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You just made my week.

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That's the only positive moment that I'm going to have in this whole week, like, to the audience out there, like, it has not been a good week, but this week is not the norm.

:

Like, it'll get better.

:

And I know I've been like, just way too, like, negative.

:

But thank you.

:

Thank you for the joy of not putting it last because it's just.

:

That would have been one more, like, painful stab to my chest.

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Okay, for you, Sam.

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Yeah, for me, I would say, oh, no, keep going.

:

Yeah, yeah.

:

And Chris and Crystal skull last.

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I would say for me, it's raiders one.

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Two would be last Crusade, three would be Temple of Doom, four is dial.

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Of destiny, and fifth would be a crystal skull.

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That's just the way.

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I would just, just.

:

I think most people would rank it that way.

:

Yeah.

:

Yeah.

:

And it's interesting, this one guy, rich on the, I think his name is on the red letter media, he was saying that he made an interesting comment about how he likes some of Temple of Doom set pieces better than last Crusade, but he thinks the last crusade, Tank Chase is his favorite set piece in all indie.

:

And that was a pretty great thing.

:

And I'm aware of the problems of Temple of Doom.

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I think the reason I like it is because it's such a weird outlier that it's like a feat, that the movie's like a fever dream from hell, kind of.

:

It's just like a.

:

That's kind of what I like about it, that it's so different.

:

But it's funny.

:

I've watched that movie so much more than last Crusade, but I recognize from a critical standpoint, last Crusade is probably the better film.

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I think last Crusade is Spielberg's favorite.

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Temple of Doom is Spielberg's least favorite.

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He is openly said he doesn't like it that much.

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And Raiders, obviously.

:

Raiders, he says, is one of the few movies that he can watch without being critical of himself as a director.

:

He, Spielberg can watch Raiders of the Lost Ark and just enjoy it as a movie.

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ke, oh, remember that shot at:

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when the sun was what?

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You know, he can just, he can just clear his head and enjoy it.

:

So, so that's how I would rate it, though.

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And I know that sounds negative for.

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I didn't dislike dial of Destiny.

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I agree with what you're saying.

:

It's just because those first three to me are so good that both crystal skull and dial of Destiny, I can't, I can't get them into that same.

:

If it was, like, a mountain slope, they'd be, like, on a higher slope, and there'd be, like, a couple of ropes dangling off and, like, crystal.

:

Part four and five would be like, climbers that are, like.

:

We're getting there.

:

Ellie, I know you haven't seen all of them, but do you?

Audience Member:

No, I have seen them.

:

You have?

Audience Member:

I just wanted to see your face.

:

Oh, okay, good.

Audience Member:

Which.

Audience Member:

You lied to us.

Host:

What?

Audience Member:

Why are you guys doing so funny?

Audience Member:

Cause your faces are, like, chill.

:

Where are you at with these?

Audience Member:

You know what's even funny?

Audience Member:

You didn't even hear me when I said I'm a.

Audience Member:

Just kidding.

:

You didn't hear.

:

I just muted you after that.

:

I've heard a single thing you said.

Audience Member:

All right, so for me, I have to say, obviously, number one is always gonna be my favorite one.

Audience Member:

Just, I.

Audience Member:

You know, raiders, the last arc is just something about that.

Audience Member:

Plus, it was made in:

Audience Member:

I was young.

Audience Member:

I just enjoyed going to the mood with my friends.

Audience Member:

We were rowdy.

Audience Member:

So then for me, the second one would be Indiana Jones and the temple of doom.

Audience Member:

No, I'm sorry.

Audience Member:

Indiana Jones and the last crusade, then Indiana Jones and what do we call the last one?

Audience Member:

I forget the last one.

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Dial of destiny.

Audience Member:

Dial of Destiny is my third.

Audience Member:

Then the doom and then the skull.

Audience Member:

Because I don't like the skull at all.

Audience Member:

Yeah, I didn't like that movie.

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Ours.

:

Our lists are the same, Ellie.

Audience Member:

We are.

Audience Member:

Wait.

Audience Member:

Oh, so you picked the.

Audience Member:

You picked three as the dynamic, right?

:

Yeah, yeah.

:

Ours.

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We have the same list.

:

Yeah.

Audience Member:

I love.

Audience Member:

I love the crusade.

Audience Member:

I think for me, those three top movies are, like, the three top always.

Audience Member:

And I can watch them again and again, and I just love the energy and I love.

Audience Member:

You know, I run to Indiana Jones music.

Audience Member:

Right?

:

Oh, nice.

Audience Member:

I do.

:

I did not know that.

Audience Member:

I do.

Audience Member:

I put that Indiana Jones down, and it just gave me that energy.

Audience Member:

And I'm thinking, I'm Indiana Jones myself.

:

Nathan, since you saw Crystal skull recently, wouldn't you agree that there's really awkward expository dot, you know what I mean, how that movie kind of like.

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It's like chunk dunk, dunk.

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It just.

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It just is like, well, volumes of talk.

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And then, I don't know, it's.

:

I thought that dial of Destiny was smoother with the dialogue.

:

Yeah, I mean, I think so.

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I mean, it's.

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It's.

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It's more.

:

It gets into the action, it gets into the plot faster, and it's more.

:

Absolutely.

:

I actually really like the stuff in New York at the beginning.

:

Like that horse chase in the subway.

:

Yeah, I was.

Audience Member:

That was so cool.

Audience Member:

That was cool.

Audience Member:

That was really cool.

Audience Member:

It was funny too.

:

That was probably the most giddy I felt with that scene.

:

I was like, ah, Indiana Jones movie.

:

I don't know why.

:

It just really worked for me.

Audience Member:

Yeah, I mean, Indiana Jones starting his career at 42, right?

Audience Member:

38.

Audience Member:

40.

:

Oh, Harrison Ford.

Audience Member:

Yeah.

:

Oh, he.

Host:

Early seventies.

:

He's become a big star.

Audience Member:

No, but I'm saying, I, Holly, was that he wasn't like big star until like, he's like raiders.

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He was 38 when he did raiders.

Host:

American graffiti was what?

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I.

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73.

:

Who 73.

:

Yeah.

Host:

So he was, he must have been.

:

Like in his mid twenties.

:

He was young and that was 627 or so.

Audience Member:

When.

Audience Member:

Which one?

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American graffiti.

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His smaller role as Bob Falfa in George Lucas's incredible picture.

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I love that man.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah, that is the show.

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This weekend, I back to the frame rate.

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As part of the Western Media Podcast Network, we wish to thank Brian Ellsworth for our show opening.

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On behalf of all of us, we bid you farewell from the fallout shelter.

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Your presence in our underground sanctuary is truly appreciated.

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We are truly sorry you cannot join us, but we want to express our gratitude for your company.

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If you're finding solace in our discussions, we kindly ask that you please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or whichever portal connects you to our broadcast.

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There you can find more episodes of this podcast and also on our website, back to the framerate.com and on Facebook, Instagram threads, TikTok, Twitter, and YouTube.

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That's right.

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Always forget that one.

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And our handle is back to the frame rate.

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Your support is the beacon of light that brightens our confined space.

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Until we emerge from the fallout, stay with us.

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Keep hope alive, and keep those reviews coming.

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This is the end of our transmission.

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Back to the frame rate.

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Signing off.

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I want you to know it's over.

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Well.

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Bye.

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Back to the Frame Rate
Preserving Our Civilization One MOVIE At A Time
Back to the Frame Rate is a movie discussion podcast where filmmakers, actors, and passionate wannabes come together to celebrate the art of cinema. From beloved popcorn flicks of the '80s, '90s and today, to timeless classics and arthouse gems we cover it all. But we’re not just here to talk movies — we’re here to save them!

In a world facing imminent asteroid-induced doom (think Armageddon without the happy ending), we’ve built a fallout shelter for the greatest films of all time. With only enough space for a carefully curated vault of 35mm and 70mm reels, the stakes couldn’t be higher. We comb through the likes of AFI’s 100, Sight & Sound’s Greats, and IMDB’s Top 250 to decide which films are worthy of saving — and which will be purged forever.

Join hosts Nathan Suher, Sam Coale, and Briana (Bee) Butterworth as they passionately debate cinema’s survival, ensuring the future of storytelling one reel at a time. Sadly, the space is tight, just enough for us and our cherished 35mm and 70mm film reels. To friends, family, and old acquaintances left in the cinematic dust, our apologies. But fret not, for we vow to emerge when Earth is safe for repopulation. We've preserved the very soul of civilization, ensuring a future where storytelling thrives. Back to the Frame Rate, saving the world one reel at a time!
Hosted by Nathan Suher, Sam Coale, and Briana (Bee) Butterworth.
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