From Antiheroes to Femme Fatales: Our Noirvember Retrospective
We wrap up our Noirvember retrospective by handing out awards and superlatives for the four films we've explored: Night Moves, Klute, The Long Goodbye, and The Yakuza. Each film brought its own unique flavor to the genre, and we dive deep into the standout performances and memorable moments that defined our viewing experience. From the best antihero to the most captivating femme fatale, we celebrate the characters that kept us on the edge of our seats. After the awards, we also share our thoughts on some recent films we've watched, adding a bit of spice to our discussions. Join us as we reflect on a month filled with thrilling narratives and unforgettable cinematic moments, all while looking ahead to what’s coming next in our film journey.
Time Stamps
- 02:36 Noirvember Award Show Introduction
- 04:58 Best Anti-Hero Award
- 06:24 Best Femme Fatale Award
- 09:00 Best Death or Kill Award
- 11:20 Scene Stealer Award
- 13:54 Best Plot Twist Award
- 15:46 Lighting to Die For Award
- 17:43 Best Line Delivered Like a Dagger Award
- 19:37 Wingman/Wingwoman Award
- 21:30 Comedic Wingman Selection
- 22:00 Fallout Shelter Award
- 24:08 Ranking the Films
- 28:44 Monthly Highlights
- 40:53 Closing Remarks
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In the dying embers of human existence.
Speaker A:As the asteroid, a behemoth the sides of Texas hurdles relentlessly toward Earth, the world braces for an apocalyptic end.
Speaker A:Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge plunges into the bowels of the earth.
Speaker A:Here the chosen gather their purpose clear to preserve the very soul of our civilization.
Speaker A:The 35 and 70 millimeter prints that encapsulate the magic, the emotion and the dreams of generations past.
Speaker A:These masterpieces, each frame a testament to the human spirit, are carefully cataloged and cradled in the cavernous confines of the bunker.
Speaker A:Perhaps there was room for more, for friends and family yearning for salvation.
Speaker A:But sacrifices must be made.
Speaker A:The movie nerds stand united, the keepers of a flame, promising a future where the art of storytelling endures, transcending the boundaries of time and space.
Speaker A:God help us all.
Host Nathan Shore:Welcome to Back to the Frame Rate, part of the Westin Media Podcast Network.
Host Nathan Shore:Join us as we watch and discuss films on VOD and streaming platforms, deliberating on whether each one is worthy of salvation or destined for destruction in the face of the impending asteroid apocalypse.
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Host Nathan Shore:I am Nathan Shore and accompanying me are the extraordinary movie mavens Brianna Budworth and Sam Cole.
Speaker C:Hello.
Host Nathan Shore:Hello, Hello.
Host Nathan Shore:So we're recording this on a night, but this is gonna be coming out in the month of December.
Host Nathan Shore:To the people that are listening, this.
Host Nathan Shore:Whoa.
Host Nathan Shore:It's after Thanksgiving.
Host Nathan Shore:We are in the future.
Speaker D:That's amazing.
Host Nathan Shore:Which means that how did Gladiator 2.
Speaker D:Do at the box office?
Speaker D:We don't know.
Speaker D:We don't know.
Speaker C:We don't know yet.
Speaker D:But you guys will know because you're in the future.
Host Nathan Shore:So this is coming out in December.
Host Nathan Shore:That means in a little over a month from now is our 100th episode spectacular.
Host Nathan Shore:It is coming fast and furious.
Host Nathan Shore:So everyone can't wait.
Host Nathan Shore:Get your tickets.
Host Nathan Shore:There are links in the show notes to get a seat at this event on January 10th.
Host Nathan Shore:So keep your eyes out for that.
Host Nathan Shore:Anyways, so tonight we have our November wrap up our Noor Noir.
Host Nathan Shore:Noir.
Host Nathan Shore:Oh my God.
Host Nathan Shore:I did again.
Host Nathan Shore:Our noir member awards show where we are going to hand out awards and superlatives for the four films that we watched in our 70s Noirvember retrospective series, which included the films the Long Goodbye, Klute Night Moves, and the Yakuza.
Host Nathan Shore:I am stoked.
Host Nathan Shore:But you guys.
Speaker C:But it was a good month.
Host Nathan Shore:I always Love doing these episodes because they're always kind of fun.
Host Nathan Shore:We get to go off, go, you know, kind of have fun and talk.
Host Nathan Shore:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker C:Let loose talk about what a fun month we had.
Host Nathan Shore:I did.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Let me tell you, like I said last week, this is my Dudes Rock retrospective, and boy, was it a good time.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:Any thoughts on this past month, Sam?
Speaker D:I enjoyed this past month and I enjoyed the films and I look forward to ranking them and discussing them and using my NPR voice.
Speaker D:I'm Herbert Clifton, and we're gonna discuss the weather.
Speaker D:No, but, yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:And you caught up on who I heard as well.
Speaker D:I did see Clute.
Speaker D:Yeah, I watched it last night.
Host Nathan Shore:So we are all on the same page.
Host Nathan Shore:Very good.
Host Nathan Shore:So we have some.
Speaker D: in, to be honest, in November: Speaker D:It just.
Speaker D:To me, it's like a staple of the holidays at this point.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I like it too.
Speaker C:November A lot of fun.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, well, let's not waste any time.
Host Nathan Shore:Let's get into these awards.
Host Nathan Shore:We got some of our old favorites, but we got a couple categories here tailored to film noir.
Host Nathan Shore:Some of these categories, they're flawed.
Host Nathan Shore:You know, we just kind of threw these out there.
Host Nathan Shore:And if you.
Host Nathan Shore:If the listeners out there have suggestions for categories, you can always reach out to us.
Host Nathan Shore:We're here.
Host Nathan Shore:We're listening.
Host Nathan Shore:You know, we'd love to get some feedback from you.
Speaker C:All right, I'm so sorry.
Speaker C:These categories are set in stone and they will be using them at the next Oscars.
Host Nathan Shore:So our first category is the Anti hero award.
Host Nathan Shore:This should probably speak for itself because the, you know, neo noir is all about the antiheroes.
Speaker C:This was a little.
Speaker C:I didn't feel like a lot of our leads fit their traditional anti hero description here.
Speaker C:So I'm going to give it to Philip Marlow.
Speaker C:He was probably one of my favorites.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great pick.
Host Nathan Shore:I'm going to follow you up and say that was my pick as well.
Host Nathan Shore:I gave this to Philip Morrow, played by Elliot Gould in the Long Goodbye.
Host Nathan Shore:I think it comes down to Marlowe's personal code of ethics and his cynicism that make him an exceptional anti hero.
Host Nathan Shore:He's driven by the belief of doing what is right despite being surrounded by a world of corruption and indifference.
Host Nathan Shore:And unlike other antiheroes like Mosby, Klute, and Harry Kilmer, he never compromises integrity.
Speaker C:So definitely Mosby was a Close backup for me.
Speaker C:I love that character.
Speaker D:Yeah, I'd be Philip Marlowe as well, just because I liked him so much.
Speaker D:I mean, I know it doesn't quite fit the antihero, but I felt like he was the most alive, memorable character of the quote, unquote, anti heroes this month.
Speaker D:So, I mean, I'd have to agree.
Speaker D:That was like a no brainer for me.
Host Nathan Shore:Good.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay, our next category is Best Femme Fatale.
Speaker C:Whoo.
Speaker C:We had some good options for this one, but.
Speaker C:And I have to foreshadow a little bit, this is going to be the whole show for me.
Speaker C:I am beginning my nominations now for Bree Daniels, and I will be from kloot, of course, and I will be running her campaign for this Oscar race.
Speaker C:She's an amazing character I talk about on the episode.
Speaker C:I think she's so fleshed out for a femme fatale.
Speaker C:She's really three dimensional and powerful and tender and exciting and love her so much.
Speaker C:Rename the movie.
Host Nathan Shore:We were saying that the movie should be called Bri.
Speaker C:Should be called Bri.
Host Nathan Shore:It should be.
Speaker D:Why was it called Clute?
Speaker D:And Clute is such a weird Clute.
Speaker D:Sounds like a movie that someone with a peanut allergy would love.
Speaker D:You know, like, go watch.
Host Nathan Shore:Could be a disease.
Host Nathan Shore:Like, I got the Clute.
Speaker D:No, no, exactly.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:It sounds like I actually was not looking forward to watching the film because of the title.
Speaker D:I thought, oh, God.
Speaker D:And then I really liked it, but we'll get there.
Speaker C:Oh, man.
Host Nathan Shore:For me, I'm going a different direction, though, Bea.
Host Nathan Shore:For me, I'm giving this award to Jennifer Warren as the character of Paul.
Host Nathan Shore:She's great in Night Moves.
Host Nathan Shore:I think of all the characters that fall under the umbrella of femme fatale in the series, she's the one that is the most morally ambiguous and layered.
Host Nathan Shore:I think it's alluded to that.
Host Nathan Shore:To all that.
Host Nathan Shore:Well, it's not really alluded to all that much in the film, but there's a combination of personal trauma and vulnerability that make her both unpredictable and dangerous.
Host Nathan Shore:She could just as easily sleep with you as kill you in your sleep if you push her too far.
Host Nathan Shore:So she is my pick for best Femme Fatale.
Speaker C:She was really fun to watch on screen.
Speaker D:I hear that.
Speaker D:It's difficult for me because how much I like the character sort of affects it.
Speaker D:But I too, I would really have to go with Jane Fonda and Klute as Brie just because I felt like I got to know her the most and she was a femme fatale and fit that well, and I just thought her character, because of the screen time she had, she was so three dimensional and there was so much about her, I just found her genuinely interesting.
Speaker D:So that's the reason why I picked her.
Speaker D:But also just because she left a really strong impression of all the characters in the films.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, very good.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, next category.
Host Nathan Shore:One that we've had for our second month in a row now is Beth.
Host Nathan Shore:Best Death or Kill.
Speaker C:So there.
Speaker C:There is a couple for me in here.
Speaker D:We should have Worst Death or Kill, because that's what I could think of some of those.
Host Nathan Shore:Interpret.
Host Nathan Shore:Interpret it any way you want.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I went.
Host Nathan Shore:I believe the most memorable.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Most shocking.
Speaker C:So there's a lot of good kills in here, but for me, the shocking, like that kind of kill is the end of the Long Goodbye, which I don't want to spoil it if folks haven't seen it, but there's only a couple moments of really shocking violence in that movie, and they really do come as such surprises that it just really amplifies how graphic it is.
Host Nathan Shore:Well, I'm putting at the top of this episode, spoilers be damned.
Host Nathan Shore:We are spoiling all four of these movies.
Speaker C:All right?
Host Nathan Shore:This is an award show.
Host Nathan Shore:It's impossible to give out awards without spoiling these four movies.
Host Nathan Shore:So if you have not seen the longabay, Klut, Night Moves, or the Yakuza, you very likely will get spoiled on these four movies.
Speaker C:True, True.
Host Nathan Shore:But.
Host Nathan Shore:Yes, but I also have the same pick for Best Death Kill, and it's got to be Philip Morrow blowing away Terry Lennox at the end of the Long Goodbye.
Host Nathan Shore:It wasn't so much as shocking for me as it was just the most satisfying death in the entire retrospective because Marlo is dealing with so much shit before this that it just was the enough is enough moment and takes vengeance on a truly horrible person.
Host Nathan Shore:And I really love it.
Speaker D:I have to agree with the Long Goodbye ending just because it was so cathartic.
Speaker D:So that would be my choice as well, but as the antithesis just to throw this in there for the sake of comedy.
Speaker D:Worst death in all the.
Speaker D:In all of them.
Speaker D:You know, I really like the movie the End of Clute where the villain commits suicide out the window.
Speaker D:I did not know.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:He just, like, propels himself backwards.
Speaker D:The way that was edited, I was not sure who it was that jumped out the wind.
Speaker D:I thought it might have been Donald Sutherland.
Speaker D:And I thought, what the hell did he do that for?
Speaker D:And so that, to me, was like, you know, so that's the antithesis.
Speaker D:But the best one, the Long Goodbye was so cathartic too.
Speaker D:So, yeah, it was great.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, next is the Scene Stealer Award.
Host Nathan Shore:You know, this is an award that celebrates a magnetic character who, with just a few moments of on screen, grabs the spotlight with an unforgettable performance.
Host Nathan Shore:So what is your pick?
Speaker C:Be Paula from Night Moves.
Speaker C:I think every time she's on screen, that's incredibly magnetic.
Speaker C:And she's part of what makes this movie for me, the long exhalation and goodbye to this genre.
Speaker C:She's just so complete and complex.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay.
Speaker C:And she doesn't have the same screen time as Brie, and she does a lot with it.
Host Nathan Shore:That's a good pick.
Host Nathan Shore:So I also have a character from the Long Goodbye.
Speaker C:Is it Melanie Griffith?
Speaker C:Oh, from the Long Goodbye.
Host Nathan Shore:Well, actually, it's not.
Host Nathan Shore:I'm going.
Host Nathan Shore:That's right.
Host Nathan Shore:You picked from night movies.
Speaker C:Night moons.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah, I'm going from the Long Goodbye.
Host Nathan Shore:So this movie is just loaded with seeing stealing characters, number one.
Host Nathan Shore:So hence, I'm gonna pick Sterling Hayden as Roger Wade.
Host Nathan Shore:His presence in the film is towering.
Host Nathan Shore:He's also a towering figure, but every moment he's on screen, he commands.
Host Nathan Shore:Even in the scene when he is slapped silly by Henry Gibson and all the power is taken away from him.
Host Nathan Shore:His portrayal of a man broken by his own demons and struggling to maintain control over his life just adds just like this haunting depth to the film.
Host Nathan Shore:So I love Sterling Hayden as the scene stealer in the Long Goodbye.
Speaker D:I was going to say Arnold Schwarzenegger because he was so distracted.
Host Nathan Shore:I thought about that.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But I will completely subvert it.
Speaker D:This is totally ridiculous.
Speaker D:But it's a scene towards the end of Klute where Donald Sutherland is going into this office and he's looking for Bree, and there's this elderly woman there who really, in my opinion, over acts.
Host Nathan Shore:Gene Stapleton.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah.
Speaker D:Where she's like.
Speaker D:Is that the one where she's like.
Speaker D:Where she's calling the name of, like.
Host Nathan Shore:It's Jean Stapleton from All the Family.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:She stole that scene pretty long.
Speaker C:Everybody's his friend or something.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah.
Speaker D:If we're thinking it's got to be Gene Staples.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then she's like, Mr.
Speaker D:Crawford.
Speaker D:Mr.
Speaker D:Where are you?
Speaker D:She's like, do you.
Speaker D:He's like, oh, he left for the day.
Speaker D:That was just.
Speaker D:It was pretty grating for me.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:That's awesome.
Host Nathan Shore:James Tapleton wins an award.
Speaker C:Love her.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay, next up is Best plot Twist.
Speaker C:So easy for me.
Speaker C:There were a lot of great movies I don't think they all had great plot twists.
Speaker C:I think a lot of these movies were much more character driven than plot driven, which is the juice for me.
Speaker C:I was so happy to have that in a series.
Speaker C:So the best plot twist comes from a movie whose plot I really didn't love.
Speaker C:The Yakuza.
Speaker C:By the time we got to this plot twist, I was like, here we go.
Speaker C:This is relevant and interesting and recontextualizes the performances for me.
Speaker C:So glad to have it.
Host Nathan Shore:100% B.
Host Nathan Shore:And I also have, I think, the same pick as well.
Host Nathan Shore:I gave this also to the Yakuza when we learned that Aiko and Tanaka are not siblings, but actually they are married, their husband and wife.
Host Nathan Shore:This blindsided me and ended up giving this movie a lot more emotional stakes for these characters.
Host Nathan Shore:So I really love this.
Host Nathan Shore:And yes, raised the bar on this movie a lot for me.
Host Nathan Shore:So 100%.
Host Nathan Shore:This was my favorite plot twist of the series.
Speaker C:Can we talk about how they just really pulled a for real Jack White?
Host Nathan Shore:Oh, I did not make that.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah, okay.
Host Nathan Shore:Wow.
Speaker C:Yeah, they did.
Host Nathan Shore:Yes, they did.
Host Nathan Shore:Wow, that's funny.
Speaker D:So though it was less of a.
Speaker D:It was a more kind of on the nose plot twist and you knew it was going somewhere.
Speaker D:Just for the visuals alone.
Speaker D:I did like the submerged seaplane and Night Moves.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:I thought that was clever.
Speaker D:Obviously it was a plant and a payoff.
Speaker D:You knew something was coming.
Speaker D:So it was not a huge surprise.
Speaker D:But I thought it was a solid plot twist and the visuals are kind of what sold me on it.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's really stunning.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, so we've got a new category here, and it's called Lighting to Die for award.
Host Nathan Shore:This is award to a film that made the best use of shadows and contrast or atmosphere.
Host Nathan Shore:You know, best cinematography, what we can.
Speaker D:Call it as well, hands down.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay, so be well.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I guess I don't know as definitively as Sam.
Speaker C:This one's hard.
Speaker C:Best use of lighting and shadows, I think Kute to me saying, is the most noir noir that we watched.
Speaker C:And I was like, this is so great camera work and interesting lighting.
Speaker C:The long goodbye looking like everything is behind a pair of sunglasses.
Speaker C:I just loved and was more of the essential character to the film than the lighting is in Clute, I think.
Speaker C:But I think I just liked Clute for that classic noir feel, so I'm gonna go with that one.
Host Nathan Shore:All right.
Host Nathan Shore:I'm giving this award to Clute as well and the cinematographer Gordon Willis, because not only the overall, I think the Best cinematography.
Host Nathan Shore:But also had the most style in his presentation for the sequence alone.
Host Nathan Shore:When Bree Daniels approaches Goldfarb in his office, it deserves the award.
Host Nathan Shore:For me, I mentioned that in the episode.
Host Nathan Shore:The contra casts of light and shadow in that scene is incredible.
Speaker C:I think so too.
Host Nathan Shore:So Clute is my award.
Speaker C:Him just sitting in the dark.
Speaker D:Oh, for me, it was Clute hands down by a long shot.
Speaker D:I feel that its visuals flank the other films in a.
Speaker D:In.
Speaker D:In.
Speaker D:In a.
Speaker D:Like a.
Speaker D:If it was a rowboat race in London, that in the.
Speaker D:On the 10th, just be like a crew, they would be ahead.
Speaker D:It's the visuals and it was aided by.
Speaker D:Is it Alan J.
Speaker D:As.
Speaker D:Do you pronounce it?
Speaker D:Pakula?
Speaker D:His last name.
Speaker D:The director.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's his direction in that cinematography.
Speaker D:Gordon Willis Cinematography, I thought was just like top notch.
Speaker D:It's really best.
Speaker D:100%.
Host Nathan Shore:Yes.
Host Nathan Shore:Yep.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, next up, another new category.
Host Nathan Shore:Best line delivered like a dagger award for the most cutting or memorable piece of dialogue.
Speaker C:And I have to go first with this, huh?
Speaker C:It's okay with me.
Speaker C:No, that is not.
Speaker C:I didn't find too many of those lines, to be honest with you, that just sort of sliced through.
Speaker C:But I did find a lot of heartbreaking lines in these movies.
Speaker C:So one thing I loved is when Brie first meets Klute and she's sort of still figuring him out.
Speaker C:And so she has her sharpest edges at this point in the movie.
Speaker C:She's all defense.
Speaker C:She's elbows up and Klute and is in her apartment for the first time after that weird little interrogation.
Speaker C:And I wrote it down here.
Speaker C:She says, what's in your bag, Klute?
Speaker C:What do you like?
Speaker C:Are you a talker?
Speaker C:A button freak?
Speaker C:Maybe you like to get your chest walked on with high heeled shoes?
Speaker C:That whole monologue where she's accusing him of being a hypocritical pervert is, I think, wonderful.
Host Nathan Shore:I like that.
Host Nathan Shore:All right.
Host Nathan Shore:So for me, it's a line of dialogue that I actually brought up when we did our Night Moves episode is two words.
Host Nathan Shore:There is.
Host Nathan Shore:And it's when Harry Mosby responds to Tom Iverson when he reveals that he's been getting a little too foolish with a 16 year old deli and says there ought to be a law.
Host Nathan Shore:And Harry Mosby says, well, there is.
Host Nathan Shore:And I just love that line so much.
Host Nathan Shore:So that is from Night Moves.
Speaker D:You.
Speaker D:You beat me to it, Nathan.
Speaker D:That was definitely mine because I said the line at the same time that he did in the movie.
Speaker D:I was like, there is I was like, hey, the character.
Speaker D:I relate to them.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I know it makes you wonder if the whole audience stood up in the theater.
Host Nathan Shore:Next category is the wingman Wing Woman award.
Host Nathan Shore:What character would you want to be?
Host Nathan Shore:Your wing on a date.
Speaker C:My wing person is obviously Bree Daniels.
Speaker C:I told you, I will be campaigning for her.
Speaker C:Hard.
Speaker C:But seriously, what better woman to take out on a bar, to a bar on a night where I'm trying to catch a date?
Speaker C:She would all the hot tips.
Host Nathan Shore:So.
Host Nathan Shore:Brie Daniels.
Speaker C:Hell, yes.
Host Nathan Shore:Sure.
Host Nathan Shore:Why not?
Host Nathan Shore:This was hard for me because there wasn't.
Speaker C:Because everyone in these movies are bad.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah, there are.
Host Nathan Shore:Well, first of all, there's, like, nobody from Night Moves.
Host Nathan Shore:That is redeemable, number one.
Host Nathan Shore:You know, so.
Host Nathan Shore:And then I think, yeah, there really weren't that many options for me, but this is going to seem like an odd pick, perhaps, but I did pick somebody from the Yakuza.
Host Nathan Shore:I am taking Dusty.
Speaker C:This is a bad choice.
Host Nathan Shore:I think his loyalty and his brashness could provide some entertaining moments.
Speaker C:No woman alive is going to approach you at the bar with this.
Host Nathan Shore:I think he'd be good at breaking the ice.
Host Nathan Shore:You know, you could have had Cantonaka.
Host Nathan Shore:Oh, God.
Host Nathan Shore:He's.
Speaker C:Although the sense of obligation he felt for doing this favor.
Host Nathan Shore:I was about to say that.
Host Nathan Shore:Well, anyways, I.
Host Nathan Shore:I thought for a moment about Philip Marlowe, but I get the sense that he hasn't showered in weeks, so that's a deal breaker.
Host Nathan Shore:So.
Host Nathan Shore:It was so hard finding somebody.
Host Nathan Shore:I'm.
Speaker C:I would take any one of his topless neighbors over.
Speaker C:Dusty.
Host Nathan Shore:Topless neighbors?
Speaker C:Yeah, Philip Marlowe, he just had all those.
Host Nathan Shore:I did not think about his neighbors.
Host Nathan Shore:I did not.
Host Nathan Shore:I.
Host Nathan Shore:I thought of, like, somebody that was above the line in the cast.
Host Nathan Shore:I don't know.
Host Nathan Shore:All right.
Host Nathan Shore:But that was.
Host Nathan Shore:That would probably have been better.
Host Nathan Shore:Sure.
Speaker D:So I'm going with the comedic route on this.
Speaker D:But I would definitely take the drunk guy from the Long Goodbye, the alcoholic guy that drowns in the ocean.
Speaker D:Because by comparison, Sterling Hayden.
Speaker D:Yeah, by comparison, he would look amazing.
Speaker D:I would look amazing, and this guy would look like a jerk.
Speaker D:And so, yeah, that's why I would be my wingman.
Speaker D:So he could be cannon fodder.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Host Nathan Shore:Can't go wrong, I guess.
Host Nathan Shore:All right.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, Next one is our fallout shelter award.
Host Nathan Shore:What character?
Speaker C:Is it even a question?
Speaker C:It's free.
Host Nathan Shore:I just want to mention that it's awarded to a character you would invite into our fallout shelter to help be a leader for the future generations.
Speaker D:Even Though the text here says, help repopulate the earth.
Speaker D:Help repopulate the earth.
Speaker C:Again, this is not a hard quiz for me.
Speaker C:It's Bri Daniels.
Speaker C:She's an incredible character.
Speaker C:More Jane Fonda.
Speaker C:Bring back Grace and Frankie.
Speaker C:There's only so much I can say about this.
Host Nathan Shore:This was kind of a difficult decision for me.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah, I could easily say Brie Daniels, but, you know, I'm not gonna go toward that.
Host Nathan Shore:I'm thinking about this because for me it comes down to survival instincts, physical resilience, leadership skills, and wisdom.
Speaker C:So Sterling Hayden.
Host Nathan Shore:Therefore, I'm bringing Ken Tanaka into the fall shelter.
Host Nathan Shore:And I admit he doesn't check off some boxes as a companion in our tiny shelter.
Host Nathan Shore:I think he's not going to contribute much to game night.
Host Nathan Shore:He'll probably be a big mood killer.
Host Nathan Shore:He'll probably attempt to put in place some honor code that might be difficult to adhere to.
Host Nathan Shore:And then there's the pinky cutting habit.
Host Nathan Shore:So I don't know, but I think he'll be good for the future of mankind.
Speaker C:Just saying.
Speaker C:So will Brie.
Speaker D:I gotta go with Brie.
Speaker D:Although a close second is the boat from Night Moves because in case the.
Host Nathan Shore:Giant flood we need to know was Ark.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:We went about this in different ways.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay.
Speaker C:A consensus was not reached here tonight.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, finally, let's just rank these four films.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:Yep, Sure.
Speaker C:I have to say that the top three, especially second and third place, are really close.
Speaker C:For me, it's a tight race.
Speaker C:These are three movies that I liked a lot and I would be happy to watch again anytime.
Speaker C:And I would love to introduce folks to.
Speaker C:So I hope listeners are out there watching these movies for the first time because they really are interesting windows into the recent past.
Speaker C:So top for me is the Long Goodbye.
Speaker C:I don't think that's a huge shock for anyone.
Speaker C:And then again, pretty tied.
Speaker C:But I have in this order Clute and the Night Moves.
Speaker C:I think Night Moves has the better plot and I think Clute has the better depth of character with Jane Fonda.
Speaker C:So, you know, take some, leave some there.
Speaker C:But they're both wonderful, exemplary films of the genre and both really underappreciated.
Speaker C:And then following that up a little further along, further apart is the Yakuza, who does stick the landing, but was a movie I just couldn't get attached to the way I could the other three.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay, my order is this.
Host Nathan Shore:Again, the top three for me were really tight as well.
Host Nathan Shore:But you could ask me a year from now and it might be completely shuffled.
Host Nathan Shore:But by a hair.
Host Nathan Shore:I actually went with Night Moves as my number one.
Host Nathan Shore:It's good.
Host Nathan Shore:It was the only one that was a clear yes.
Host Nathan Shore:Put it in the vault.
Host Nathan Shore:When I really thought about and went back, it was like.
Host Nathan Shore:You like?
Host Nathan Shore:It was like.
Host Nathan Shore:Didn't debate it one iota.
Host Nathan Shore:When I was really thinking about it, Long Goodbye was my number two.
Host Nathan Shore:Also chose to put it in the vault, but it was an improvement over my last time seeing it.
Host Nathan Shore:Kloot I said no to.
Host Nathan Shore:Even though I did like it, I did have some problems with it.
Host Nathan Shore:And again, Distant fourth was A Yakuza, which a movie, again, did not like, but it's just trailing way behind the others.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah, Sam.
Speaker D:So this is tough because the top three are so close.
Speaker D:Like you said, they may oscillate in my mind.
Speaker D:But tonight, for me, number one was.
Speaker D:Would definitely be Klute.
Speaker D:And I would.
Speaker D:I wasn't there on the recording, but for Klute, I would say yes to the vault.
Host Nathan Shore:Really?
Host Nathan Shore:That's officially.
Speaker C:That's the tiebreaker I sent.
Speaker D:Oh, fuck.
Speaker C:Nice.
Host Nathan Shore:Clute is in.
Speaker D:That's great.
Speaker D:I forgot about that.
Speaker D:And so Clute was my number one.
Speaker D:Long goodbye number two, night moves number three.
Speaker D:But again, just to reiterate, these 1, 2 and 3 are so close that they might change spaces.
Speaker D:And the Yakuza is a distant fourth.
Speaker D:I think Kloot is also fresh in my mind just because it really surprised me.
Speaker D:I watched it and I was not expecting.
Speaker D:I liked the directing a lot, and that got me into it immediately.
Speaker D:And I just thought there was a real energy and there was almost a creep.
Speaker D:There was a bit of a.
Speaker D:It had some horror movie vibes to it, too.
Speaker D:The tiniest bit.
Speaker D:Not exactly, but just the slightest darkness of her apartment, her being watched from the roof.
Speaker D:There was like a stalker element in that movie.
Speaker C:Totally.
Speaker D:Which was kind of scary in a good way.
Speaker D:So I.
Speaker D:Yeah, I was not.
Speaker D:I was not, not expecting.
Speaker D:I was expecting nothing from that movie.
Speaker D:And then it turns out it's like right there at the top with Long Goodbye and Night Moves.
Speaker D:Night Moves will probably escalate on my list again.
Speaker D:It's just.
Speaker D:It's so hard to.
Speaker D:Those 1, 2, 3.
Speaker D:It's like they're on the same mountain.
Speaker C:Clute and Night Moves, for me, are right there with each other.
Speaker C:And in fact, I had more problems with Clute than I did with Night Moves.
Speaker C:Just particular with the titular character.
Speaker C:But I just.
Speaker C:I was so moved by Night Moves.
Speaker C:I was so shocked at it.
Speaker C:And I loved it.
Speaker D:Yeah, it just left A strong impression.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:For me, I think it's just cool that we each have a very different top four.
Host Nathan Shore:You know, we have a different number one movie and.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah, that's really.
Host Nathan Shore:I don't think we've ever had that.
Speaker C:No, I don't think we have.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah, we've never had a different number one movie.
Host Nathan Shore:That's really cool.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay.
Speaker D:Interesting.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, well, that concludes our Noirvember Awards.
Host Nathan Shore:That was a lot of fun.
Host Nathan Shore:Cool.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay, we're going to transition to a few of our monthly highlights where we're just going to look back at the month of November.
Host Nathan Shore:Anything that we have been watching or doing that we just want to enlighten our listeners with, and anybody want to start us off, I can do.
Speaker D:Not me.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah.
Speaker D:I got to think tonight.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:Yeah, I had a pretty good week.
Speaker C:It's been fun through this retrospective, watching adjacent noir movies, that's been a total joy for me.
Speaker C:I think I told you.
Speaker C:I went through all of Pula 70s films, which was really fun.
Speaker C:And I just, I had a great time exploring the genre.
Speaker C:So that's been stuff I've been watching.
Speaker C:This week I get to see some upcoming movies.
Speaker C:I'm gonna see Heretic and Gladiator 2, which I'm pumped about.
Speaker C:But I have seen the Wild Robot and Conclave, which I thought were both very good.
Speaker C:Wild Robot was just, I thought, very beautiful.
Speaker C:It kind of surprised me.
Speaker C:I'm not huge into kids movies or animated movies, but.
Speaker C:Nathan, I think you've seen it too, right?
Host Nathan Shore:Wow.
Host Nathan Shore:Robot.
Host Nathan Shore:Oh, yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:I love the Wild Robot.
Host Nathan Shore:I took my, my youngest daughter to see that.
Host Nathan Shore:We, we were bawling at the end of that.
Speaker C:Yeah, I was too.
Host Nathan Shore:I, I, I am pulling for that to win best animated feature.
Host Nathan Shore:I really hope it does.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker C:And Conclave I thought was fair.
Speaker C:I don't think it's a movie that stuck the landing.
Speaker C:I don't know if either of you have seen it, but I had a good time with it up until the end.
Speaker C:So now I just get to think about my December theme, which I think personally might be a little more Westmber again.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:Very cool.
Host Nathan Shore:I will mention one thing and we can kind of ping pong back and forth.
Host Nathan Shore:I saw, I start.
Host Nathan Shore:Well, here's what I will start off mentioning.
Host Nathan Shore:A month ago, I finished up my Robert Altman retrospective series.
Host Nathan Shore:And Sam, you actually asked me a couple weeks ago, have I started my next director's retrospective.
Host Nathan Shore:Well, I have, and I did make a decision on who it was going to be.
Host Nathan Shore:So here's what I did.
Host Nathan Shore:I kind of cheated though.
Host Nathan Shore:Well, I.
Host Nathan Shore:I did break a rule and I was going to keep it with a director who was no longer with us.
Host Nathan Shore:And I hope this isn't a bad omen for this for him because he's definitely still alive and although he's 95 years old.
Host Nathan Shore:And hey, if Clint Eastwood can make a movie in his mid-90s, then why not this guy?
Host Nathan Shore:But I also wanted to select a filmmaker who doesn't have an incredibly exhaustive filmography.
Host Nathan Shore:I just came off watching 36 films of Robert Altman, which was exhaustive.
Host Nathan Shore:So I was looking forward to a filmmaker with a slightly smaller library.
Host Nathan Shore:So anyways, I've buried the lead enough with this.
Host Nathan Shore:I've started my Alejandro Jodorowsky retrospective.
Speaker C:More power to you, man.
Host Nathan Shore:And this past week I saw his first feature film, Fondo and Liz.
Host Nathan Shore: nk that's how you say it from: Host Nathan Shore:This film is a surrealistic fever dream where the two main characters are on a quest to go on this to this mythical city of Tar where happiness will reside for all.
Host Nathan Shore:And it's certainly abstract, polarizing and there's plenty of shocking imagery.
Host Nathan Shore:And all I know is that this being the first film and I'm guessing is only going to get weirder.
Speaker C:Oh, it gets so weird, dude.
Host Nathan Shore:It's going to be a very trippy journey.
Speaker C:So weird.
Host Nathan Shore:And probably just what I need to do to escape this reality.
Host Nathan Shore:I'll keep you all updated as I progress.
Speaker D:Last week.
Speaker D:Or was it last week?
Speaker D:So yeah, last week I was at the American Film Market and that was a really good event.
Speaker D:There were a lot of independent films being screened there.
Speaker D:It was very busy because I was more going to like meetings and panels.
Speaker D:But one film I did get to see was called Mundigi M U N D I J E I met the director, Lear Luna, also goes by Fatmir Bardhaki, and it was kind of a political action thriller.
Speaker D:Eric Roberts was in and I enjoyed it because it really reminded me of the style and the tone, even though it was a different subject.
Speaker D:It reminded me of the movie the Foreigner starring Jackie Chan and Pierce Brosnan, where it's it sort of like a political thriller, but it was interesting.
Speaker D:It was just fun talking with the director and some of the people involved.
Speaker D:I definitely enjoyed the movie.
Speaker D:I recommend checking it out.
Speaker D:But it was fun because it had a kind of of 90s political thriller action vibe to it and it was ensemble cast and it had a bunch of different exotic locations and travel all around.
Speaker D:So I really enjoyed it.
Speaker C:That sounds fun.
Speaker D:And I did want to see Heretic as well as we were talking about Bea.
Speaker D:I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker D:I had two opportunities to see it, but I was just too busy.
Speaker D:I have a feeling I'm going to enjoy that movie.
Speaker C:Hugh Grant's mad at you.
Speaker D:He is.
Speaker D:He's like, Sam, I thought we had a deal.
Speaker D:He was supposed to come here.
Host Nathan Shore:I saw Honora this past week.
Speaker C:Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker C:How was it?
Host Nathan Shore:And this.
Host Nathan Shore:I love that.
Host Nathan Shore:This is the latest from Sean Baker, whom I think is 4 for 4, knocking out of the Park.
Host Nathan Shore:His previous films, Tangerine, the Florida Project, Red Rocket, all have a special place in my heart.
Host Nathan Shore:But some of my favorites from their respective years and nor is no different and likely will end up very high on my end of year list.
Host Nathan Shore:It's about a call girl who is very quickly swooned by a Russian student who happens to come from a wealthy family.
Host Nathan Shore:But I'm not gonna spoil anything else about this film because this is exactly how I went into the film knowing only three pieces of information.
Host Nathan Shore:It is A, Sean Baker directed it.
Host Nathan Shore:B, the start time and where it's showing.
Host Nathan Shore:I knew nothing else about this film and I swear that's all I knew.
Host Nathan Shore:And I'm incredibly grateful.
Host Nathan Shore:I didn't read a single plot synopsis or God forbid, see a TR trailer because the surprises in this film are wonderful.
Host Nathan Shore:I'm becoming more and more an advocate of skipping trailers when I know that I'm blind, when I know I'm going to see a movie or there's a.
Host Nathan Shore:Or there's something coming out.
Host Nathan Shore:Because I have not seen the trailer for this, but I've heard that it reveals so much about the plot that I'm.
Host Nathan Shore:I know it would have ruined the movie for me because there's a lot in this that I had no idea was coming and I'm grateful that I didn't know.
Host Nathan Shore:Mikey Madison.
Host Nathan Shore:I think it's.
Host Nathan Shore:Mikey Madison gives an Oscar worthy performance, as does my other favorite performance is Tove Massian.
Host Nathan Shore:I know I butchered his name.
Host Nathan Shore:He is also great turn a supporting role as a character named Tauros.
Host Nathan Shore:I loved this movie, but somehow, as much as I loved it, the final 10 seconds of this movie actually made it even better.
Host Nathan Shore:That's the Sean Baker touch.
Host Nathan Shore:So this, you know, you're in the hands of a brilliant filmmaker when something like that happens, he does it again.
Host Nathan Shore:This is a great film.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I have to agree.
Speaker C:I'm a fan of his as well.
Speaker C:I can't wait to watch that.
Host Nathan Shore:Anyone else have something to mention?
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:Trauma dumped mine up front.
Host Nathan Shore:Okay, Sam, anything else?
Speaker D:No, I've been so busy with.
Speaker D:I mean, I haven't seen.
Speaker D:I haven't seen any films.
Speaker D:I've been in tons of meetings.
Speaker D:I had a great meeting with the West Virginia Film Commission and their sort of tax rate incentives on low budget productions.
Speaker D:All my stuff is all business stuff.
Speaker D:I have not caught up.
Speaker D:Aside from what we've watched, I have not had the chance to see any.
Speaker D:Oh, wait a minute.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:I'm an idiot.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, well, we know.
Speaker D:I did see.
Speaker D:You know, that's funny.
Speaker D:I'm gonna give a moment of silence how to take that.
Speaker D:That.
Speaker D:Anyway, January 10th will be my final appearance on this podcast.
Speaker D:It's going to be my big swan song.
Speaker D:But yes.
Speaker D:I can't believe it.
Speaker D:My brain is so dead.
Speaker D:I did see.
Speaker D:I thought it was excellent.
Speaker D:I was at the paramount premiere for September 5th.
Speaker D: The film about the: Speaker D:That was amazing.
Speaker D:Sean Penn was there, he produced the film and so he introduced it.
Speaker D:I thought it was a taught suspenseful, well done docudrama thriller.
Speaker D:A really kind of like being there feel.
Speaker D:I don't think it reinvented any kind of wheel, but I thought it was so well done and so realistic.
Speaker D:I didn't feel like I was watching a movie with actors about the 70s.
Speaker D: It felt like a window into: Speaker D:That was amazing.
Speaker D:And on a personal note, I met one of my favorite directors, Philip Noyce, who did Clear and present Danger and Patriot Games.
Speaker D:I was talking about those two films and I can't quite imitate his.
Speaker D:He's Australian, so his accent is sort of hard to pinpoint as formal.
Speaker D:But when we were talking about the two movies, I asked him which one he liked better and his response was, well, I, you know, Clear and Present Danger is the better film, I think, which I agree.
Speaker D:I like them both.
Speaker D:So that was a lot of fun.
Speaker D:And that movie did leave an impression.
Speaker D:I just.
Speaker D:I can't.
Speaker D:I so much going through my head that I did remember that movie and I highly enjoyed it.
Speaker D:It was just such an event that I forgot to, you know, it's like, oh, of course that counts as a film because it's a film.
Host Nathan Shore:That's very cool, Sam.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's awesome.
Host Nathan Shore:I'm just gonna mention the last thing I have on my list here.
Host Nathan Shore:I'm cleaning up a bit of my Halloween horror watching.
Host Nathan Shore:So I caught up with Tarot, which came out, I think in May.
Host Nathan Shore:Yeah.
Host Nathan Shore:It's now on streaming on Netflix.
Host Nathan Shore:This, Nathan, this.
Speaker C:And you're asking, do you hate yourself?
Host Nathan Shore:This was an absolutely run of the mill PG13 horror movie, which is very much void of real scares or violence.
Host Nathan Shore:But it did muster nearly 50 million worldwide at the box office on an $8 million budget.
Host Nathan Shore:So I guess it was a success, which means we'll probably getting more of them.
Host Nathan Shore:It's trying to dovetail off the success of spooky board games like Ouija and I don't know what else, which got me thinking.
Host Nathan Shore:It's probably just.
Host Nathan Shore:I was gonna say probably just a matter of time before we get more movies based on board games and or other scary games like that.
Host Nathan Shore:So I want to pitch to people out there and maybe if there's listeners out there, you know, don't steal these ideas.
Host Nathan Shore:But this is what I think the future of cinema is.
Host Nathan Shore:Gonn.
Host Nathan Shore:So we're going to have a movie called Hide and Seek.
Host Nathan Shore:It's going to be a group of friends who play high stakes version of hide and seek in an abandoned mansion, only to discover that one of them isn't hiding, they're hunting.
Host Nathan Shore:As the game progresses, supernatural forces manipulate the rules, turning the hunted into hunters.
Host Nathan Shore:We're also going to have a movie called Twister and it's a party game that turns into a night of terror when the mat comes alive, tangling players in a grotesque positions and testing their flexibility to survive.
Host Nathan Shore:And then my favorite of course, is the movie Operation oh God.
Host Nathan Shore:A medical horror film where participants in the game of operation must perform real life surgeries on themselves or others like Saw with even when even the mistakes, you know, trigger gruesome consequences.
Host Nathan Shore:So I love this or even the best one of all, the Game of Life.
Host Nathan Shore:And I had a really elaborate description for this horror film.
Host Nathan Shore:But then I realized you could just turn on the news.
Host Nathan Shore:That is the show tonight, everyone.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, thank you.
Speaker C:Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker C:See you January 10th.
Host Nathan Shore:Yes.
Speaker D:And to confirm, I will not be leaving the show after January 10th.
Speaker D:That was a joke.
Host Nathan Shore:I will be staying and I'm sorry, Sam.
Speaker D:No, no, no.
Host Nathan Shore:That was a pot shot.
Speaker D:It's okay.
Speaker D:We're all idiots in the eyes of the Yakuza.
Speaker D:It's a mystery of the ages.
Speaker D:No, of course, no offense taken.
Speaker D:I'm being silly the whole time.
Host Nathan Shore:The real Yakuza are the friends who make along the way, right?
Speaker D:Oh my God.
Host Nathan Shore:All right, that is the show for this week.
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