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Episode 61

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15th Apr 2024

Insomnia (2002) / Nolan Nostalgia #3 / Our Eclipse Adventures

Today we discuss Christopher Nolan's first big studio feature 'Insomnia' with the star-studded cast including Al Pacino, Robin Williams, and Hillary Swank. This is a interesting film from him because it's a relatively straight forward cat and mouse detective story...or is it? No matter what your opinion is on 'Insomnia', in comparison to his other films it does have a very different vibe.

Timestamps

02:12 Question to the hosts

05:05 Plot synopsis & Plot synopsis for your young children

08:02 Movie Facts

15:17 Nathan's review

19:47 Sam's review

25:34 Bee's review

53:12 Save or Purge - An Apocalyptic Decision

56:37 Movie Pairings

01:01:37 Movie Musings

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Transcript
Brian:

In the dying embers of human existence, as the asteroid, a

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behemoth the size of Texas, hurtles

relentlessly toward Earth, the

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world braces for an apocalyptic end.

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Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge

plunges into the bowels of the Earth.

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Here the chosen gather, Their

purpose clear, to preserve the

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very soul of our civilization.

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The 35 and 70 millimeter prints that

encapsulate the magic, the emotion,

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and the dreams of generations past.

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These masterpieces, each frame

a testament to the human spirit,

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are carefully cataloged and

cradled confines of the bunker.

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Perhaps there was room for more.

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For friends and family yearning for

salvation, but sacrifices must be made.

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The movie nerds stand united, the keepers

of a flame, promising a future where the

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art of storytelling endures, transcending

the boundaries of time and space.

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God help us all.

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Nathan: Welcome to Framerate, part

of the Westin Media Podcast Network.

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Join us as we watch and discuss

films on VOD, And streaming platforms

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deliberating on whether each one

of us is worthy of salvation or

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destined for destruction in the face

of the impending asteroid apocalypse.

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I'm Nathan Shore and accompanying me

are the extraordinary movie mavens,

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Brianna Butterworth and Sam Cole.

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How is everybody?

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Sam: Hey, hey, hey.

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Doing spectacularly.

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How are you doing today, sir?

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Nathan: Feeling good.

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I am recovered from my trip up

to Vermont to see the eclipse.

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And maybe we'll talk about that a little

bit later because I was one of those

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people that was stuck in about eight hours

of traffic to get home it was a scene.

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If you go online and you type

in like Vermont traffic, there

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some articles about that.

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It was insane, but we'll get to

that maybe later in this show.

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But I want to begin the episode

with a question to each of you.

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this is kind of a hypothetical scenario.

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And again, these questions are probably

getting worse and worse every week.

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Sam: If the question is, How

do you like school, Billy?

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Closed!

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Urgh!

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Sorry.

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Nathan: So you both ratted out the

mafia, and are forced to go into

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witness protection and are relocated

to your new home in Nightmute, Alaska,

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but outside of working at a local fish

hatchery or as a mystery novelist,

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what is your new profession and

under what alias do you live by now?

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Sam: And so it definitely can't be mystery

novelist, like you just said, Right.

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Okay.

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I would be the professional videographer

for that town, and I would monopolize

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the tiny market in the town.

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I would be like the wedding guy, the

filmmaking guy, and I would order

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awesome equipment from Amazon, and

just be like, Filmmaker Sam, and I'd

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be like a huge fish in a small bottle.

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Nathan: Wow.

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It's a good plan.

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and what's your alias?

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what name are you doing by now?

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My

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Sam: alias would be a name from

the beloved movie Boogie Nights.

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I would be Brock Landers.

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Bee: You had that in the

pocket, Sam, you were ready.

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You were like, I am desperate for someone

to ask me about my nightmute alias.

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Sam: Oh yeah.

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I've been planning it for days.

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I was like, just in case Nathan asks

this, I got to be prepared here.

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Nathan: But

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Bee: Bea, you

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Nathan: weren't ready for this one.

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Bee: I think I know my alias would

be Sammy Jenkins and my job would be

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hunting down anyone named Chauncey.

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Nathan: Well, if you hadn't

already guessed, our review this

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week is the 2002 film Insomnia

from director Christopher Nolan.

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His third film in our

Nolan Nostalgia Month.

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She's like drawing pictures.

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I know that our audience cannot

see this, but she's, I can't even

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repeat what, what I'm seeing.

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But anyways yes, we are very professional.

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The horror.

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The horror.

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So yeah insomnia, by the way, before

we begin, I want to ask, did anybody

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Also have a chance to watch the 1997,

you know, I made a mistake last week.

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I said it was a Swedish film.

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It's Norwegian.

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I think it's because Stellan

Skarsgård is Swedish.

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And that's why I just say,

Oh, it's a Swedish film.

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But B you said you were nodding.

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You saw it.

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Bee: Yeah, I did.

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Nathan: Okay.

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I managed

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Bee: to watch it.

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It's good.

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Fantastic.

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Nathan: Yeah.

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Bee: Yeah.

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Sam: I wish that I had seen it.

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I did not manage to

watch it, unfortunately.

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Nathan: Oh, It's okay.

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But it's an interesting comparison.

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Yeah.

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You're still part of the show.

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So don't worry.

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I have a plot synopsis here and I'll

follow that up with the trailer,

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but here's the plot synopsis.

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The story of a veteran police detective

played by Al Pacino, who is sent to a

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small Alaskan town to investigate the

murder of a teenage girl forced into a

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psychological game of cat and mouse by the

primary suspect played by Robin Williams.

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Events escalate in the

detective finds his.

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Own stability, dangerously threatened.

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There you have it.

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Dun, dun,

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Bee: dun.

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Nathan: And does anyone want to hear

my version for your young children?

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Bee: Yeah, my own children are desperate.

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Nathan: So just in case you

want to simplify this down for

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the young kids in the house.

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Here we are.

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It is in the movie Insomnia, a brave

detective named Will Dormer goes

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to a very bright and snowy place

to solve a mystery about a missing

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girl, but something goes wrong.

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And his friend gets hurt.

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Will feels very sad about it.

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He tries to catch the person who hurt

his friend, but it's hard because

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it's always sunny and he can't sleep.

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Another person knows what happened

and he tries to trick Will.

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It's like a game of hide and seek.

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In the end, Will learns that

telling the truth is important.

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Even if it's hard, he

faces the tricky person.

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It makes things right again.

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It's the story about being

honest and doing the right

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thing, even when it's tough.

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Bee: I mean, kind of.

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It's not the worst.

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Explain like I'm five scenario.

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Nathan: OK, let me just play a quick.

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Clip from the trailer of Insomnia.

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Bee: Detective Dormer, it's

such an honor to meet you.

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I'm Detective Ellie Berg.

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Trailer: Welcome to Nightmute.

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Bee: It's

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Trailer: so incredible

to be working with you.

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The Leland Street murders was

my case study at the Academy.

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Someone out there just beat

a 17 year old girl to death.

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Your job is to find them.

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Doesn't say in the report

that he clipped her nails.

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He washed her hair.

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No mutilation?

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Not this time.

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He tortures him, makes him do things.

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And keeps him there for three days.

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This guy, he crossed the line

and he didn't even blink.

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What detective Dormer doesn't know is

that murder is only part of the plan.

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Dormer here.

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Killing changes you.

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It's like awareness.

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Who am I speaking to?

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Nathan: that was from

the trailer for Insomnia.

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Sam.

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If your connection's still solid do

you have some movie facts for us?

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Sam: I do have some movie facts.

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And, and just to let the audience

know, I am in Little Rock, Arkansas

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with some terrible hotel wifi.

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I'm trying my best, but if I cut out,

I will come back as strongly as I can.

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So here we go.

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So Insomnia is a 2002 film

directed by Christopher Nolan.

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Interestingly, this was the only movie

of his that he did not write or co write.

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It was written by Hilary Seitz and

this is actually a remake of the

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1997 Norwegian film of the same name,

which I, alas, have unfortunately

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was not able to watch this week.

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And so this version directed by

Christopher Nolan stars Al Pacino

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and Robin Williams and Hilary Swank

also with Maura Terencey, Martin

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Donovan, Nicky Kat and Paul Dooley,

excuse me, in supporting roles.

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Interestingly, the director of

photography, the DP is Walter.

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Fister, and he actually is the same DP

who shot Memento, as well as the Dark

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Knight trilogy, as well as Inception.

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So, Christopher Nolan has worked

with this individual often This

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film was released in May 24th

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Nathan: you're fine.

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Keep going where you left off.

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You left off talking about Wally Pfister

and he left off with films that he DP'd.

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Sam: Yeah, Wally Pfister.

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So he did the Dark Knight

Trilogy and Inception.

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And memento with Christopher Nolan.

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So they worked together a lot.

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Nathan: he did some other good

movies like money ball and Laurel

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Canyon and the Italian job.

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I think we talked about this last week.

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Some of the great things he's done.

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Yeah.

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Sam: Yes.

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I love money ball, by the way.

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Great film.

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So this came out in May 24th.

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2002 in the U.

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S.

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I remember that Memorial Day weekend.

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I remember it well.

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It premiered May 3rd at

the Tribeca Film Festival.

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This had a budget of 46 million worldwide.

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It made 114 million.

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So I don't know about marketing

costs, but I think it made a profit.

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So Christopher Nolan at this point

in his career by his third film,

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he's doing well at the box office.

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Bee: going places that Nolan guy.

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Sam: Okay.

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Robin Williams was nominated for

Best Actor at the 25th Saturn

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Awards, and interestingly enough,

this was Nolan's last R rated

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film until Oppenheimer in 2023.

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I had assumed that

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Nathan: Wait, Dunkirk?

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Sam: I thought Dunkirk was

R, but no, Dunkirk was not R.

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It was a hard PG 13 which is

fascinating because Dunkirk feels

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like an R movie, but it wasn't.

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Brutal.

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This was filmed in different, many

different areas in Alaska as well.

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As a place called Squamish, British

Columbia was where the fictional

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town of Nightmute, Alaska was.

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So they shot between Alaska, British

Columbia, loved the places and the

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look of the film that they shot.

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And that is pretty much the

basic overview data I have.

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I have not seen the original film, but

I did read that the director of the

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original film, The original movie saw

Nolan's remake and was very pleased

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with it and said that he thought that

he did a good job remaking his film

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and that he was not disappointed.

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And so he gave Nolan the thumbs up.

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The movie also holds a 92 percent

on Rotten Tomatoes for being a

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good psychological thriller with

two stellar performances from

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Al Pacino and Robin Williams.

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And that is my basic

fact machine over here.

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Nathan: I also wanna mention to add onto

to this, I, I was looking at, 'cause

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I loved to do this and see what else

was coming out to that week, what was,

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and I did it this way, what was in the

th,:

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And I don't know if you've

already looked at this yet.

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Sam: I'm guessing that I, I have,

I don't play, I haven't read it

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Nathan: before.

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Cool.

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Play.

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I wanna play a little game with you guys.

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What do you think was number one that week

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Sam: without looking,

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Nathan: no cheating.

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Sam: Spider Man

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Nathan: Star Wars Episode 2 Attack of the

Clones was number one in its third week.

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It brought in 70 million Spider

Man was number two in its fourth

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week, making almost 42 million.

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this came in third that week.

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Have debuted at number three and made 20.

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9 million in its opening week.

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Number four, you probably will

never guess this, but it's spirit

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stallion of the Simmeron, that

also debuted that week at 27.

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4 million number five.

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Any guesses?

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No.

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Can

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Nathan: I get a hint?

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Can I get a

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Sam: hint?

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A what?

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Oh, enough.

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Enough.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I remember that.

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20.

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20.

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20.

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Nathan: 20.

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11.

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8 Million.

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Number Six, Hugh Grant

movie in his second week.

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Sam: Not Mickey Blue Eyes.

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Nathan: About a Boy.

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Yes.

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About a Boy, brought in 11.

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8 million.

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Number Seven, Richard Gere movie.

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Sam: Wait a minute.

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Shall we team?

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I mean, I know you love

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Nathan: this game.

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Sam: It's not red corner,

no prime red corner.

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Nathan: No, it's one of

the last of the Oh, sorry.

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What's the genre of the like

erotic thriller type of movies.

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Sam: Oh, I know.

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it's, it's directed.

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Adrian Lynn directed it.

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I can picture

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Bee: the cover of this movie.

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It's like with the composite unfaithful.

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Nathan: Yes.

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Sam: Yes.

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That's

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Nathan: in his fourth week, but 9.

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2 million.

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this might be a hard one to get

number eight that week in his

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third week of release the new guy.

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I don't know.

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I kind of remember it.

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Number nine, you guys would know

this one in a seventh week, Ben

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Affleck movie kind of a thriller.

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With some of all fears with Samuel L.

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Jackson,

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Sam: some of all fears,

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Nathan: an Affleck, Samuel L.

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Jackson, road rage movie,

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Sam: road rage movie.

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Yes.

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Oh, with Samuel.

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Oh, changing lanes, changing lanes,

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Nathan: changing lanes.

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Bee: Never heard of that movie.

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Fuck.

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Nathan: Oh God.

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Yeah, changing.

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I already said it.

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Changing lanes.

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2.2 million in the last one.

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Changing lanes.

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Changing.

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Lanes changing.

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Coming in at number 10 in it.

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? Yes.

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. Good job, Sam.

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Yeah.

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And number 10.

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And we lost Sam.

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I'll wait for him to comeback.

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No.

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All right, Number 10.

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And its sixth week of release

that brought in 2.2 million.

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Any ideas?

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It is the third movie

of a franchise Spider

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Sam: Man three.

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Oh, no, sorry.

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Keep going.

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Nathan: going.

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It's a third movie of a franchise

and it ties in to a big event that

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just happened over this weekend.

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Not tie in, but the lead

actor was also, okay.

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I'll just say it was a wrestler.

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Sam: Is Dwayne The Rock Johnson in it?

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Yes.

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Is it the Scorpion King?

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Sam: Yes.

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Okay, that was our top

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Sam: I should have known about

because Star Wars Attack of the

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Clones came out on May 16th.

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And I remember that well.

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So I should have gotten

that as number one.

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I will never forgive myself.

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Nathan: Never.

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That was the top ten for May 24th 2002.

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Okay.

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So let's get to our thoughts

on this movie though.

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When we did our random number

generator and I got the short

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straw, so I will be going first.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So I

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Bee: was desperate to hear your thoughts.

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Nathan: Yeah.

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So I think I've said this

several times before already.

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I saw this film back in

the theaters in:

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Trailer: And this

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Nathan: is the first

time revisiting it since

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Trailer: the

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Nathan: film essentially left

my consciousness completely

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the moment I left the theater.

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and I'm going to get to the reasons

for that in a moment, but you know,

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first I want to preface a couple

of things that I appreciated.

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I think Al Pacino is very good in this.

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I was looking over his filmography

and I think it's probably his

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last great starring performance.

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And I'm underlining starring because he's

had, he's been in a couple good films

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like the Irishman, but you know, he's

part of an ensemble in a lot of these

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other movies and especially that one.

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Overall, I think this film looks good.

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I think it has great sound design in it.

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Yes.

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Good music.

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So there's some great elements here.

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I mean, Nolan is doing a

good job directing this.

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It's the skilled people

working on this movie for sure.

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And good casting.

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And I'm not, talking about the smaller

roles that flesh out this movie.

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I like the guys like Paul Dooley and Nikki

cat who are both on the police force.

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They're great in this.

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I think I just love the

small casting in this.

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I think there's some really

good set pieces in this film.

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That creates some moments of good tension.

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The film has like I

said, good sound design.

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And there's a scene that I know

we're going to talk about later that

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involves this chase over the logs and

the sound design, that is incredible.

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But this movie is an overall fail

for me for a couple of reasons.

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this film came out at a time when studios,

I think we're churning out These types

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of properties left and right, hoping to

create franchises out of novelizations

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of murder mystery novels, I couldn't

help but think of like the Alex Cross

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series of books from James Patterson.

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Those were turned into a couple

of successful films, like Kiss

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the Girls, Along Came a Spider,

and I think years later there was

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a self titled Alex Cross film.

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The problem, though, is that Everyone

soon figured out that this style of

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story was best suited for television.

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And if this were made today,

this would absolutely be an eight

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episode season of true detective.

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I was just gonna say it is a show.

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It's true detective.

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In which we could really dig into these

characters and have that Cat and mouse

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game and witness the minutia of the

Pacino and Robin Williams, character's

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relationship, exploring the guilt

of his partner's death, spoiler, and

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well, Robin Williams past relationship

with this murdered girl, how his

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writing may play into his character.

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They could have really explored a lot

of the interesting nooks and crannies of

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the town folk and all of these could have

been like really interesting characters.

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In fact, you know, I, like I said, I

redact all that I think was already

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done and was called twin peaks,

but because it's working within the

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confines of a traditional three act

structure in a two hour timeframe.

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Bee: significantly

longer than the original.

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Nathan: Yeah, it's not really able to do

much more than work within the margins

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of the traditional detective serial

killer story telling, you know, telling

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I don't know, but I wish I could give

this a higher rating, but I cannot.

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it's just, so conventional it

just doesn't, it's working within

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the margins way too much for

me to get a lot out of this.

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It's well done, but it's not

doing enough for me to really

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love this movie in any great way.

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So my rating for this is two stars.

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I know it seems really negative, but

honestly, it couldn't be any more.

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Ordinary.

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For me ordinary does not cut it for me.

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So yeah, that's what I have to say.

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Bee: All right.

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Nathan: Fair.

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Bee: Sam, what'd you think?

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Sam: Do you agree?

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So I am going to try my best.

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Hopefully I won't cut out

here, but Can you hear me?

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Okay.

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So yeah, I also saw this

in the theater in:

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I saw it with my father and I

remember strangely enough in

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the theater back then liking it.

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But having a similar feeling

of being underwhelmed.

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I was expecting something different.

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However, For some reason over the

past 20 years, time and time again,

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I've come back to this movie and I

have a completely different reaction.

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I would put this in my top three

favorite Christopher Nolan films.

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I actually like this leaps and bounds

beyond memento, even though it's

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completely conventional thriller for, the

reason why I like this movie is I feel

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that it really goes into Al Pacino's And

he just sinks lower and lower into a dark

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place that he cannot get himself out of.

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And it makes me uncomfortable and nervous.

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When I saw it in the theater

in:

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Williams performance was solid.

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Now I really like it.

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I'm surprised at how

much I like this movie.

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And I think the reason is there's

something about the atmosphere of

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going up to night mute Alaska, or

the fact that it's the middle of

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the summer and the sun never sets

and he can't get any sleep to me.

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The whole situation feels like a twilight

nightmare of, of a movie and I agree the

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first time I saw this I thought it felt

like a cold ice cold episode of like

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Law and Order or something like that.

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But watching it again, not only do I love

the characters, but I find the manner in

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which the plot unfolds, and sure enough

it is definitely within convention, like

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that is true, but the manner in which

the plot unfolds, how he finds out about

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Robin Williams, the details when he goes

to the school, and he finds the girl's

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boyfriend, and you find out that There's

another relationship going on there.

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The whole, the way the movie unfolds for

me is so fascinating that I like this

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movie a lot because it has Christopher

Nolan's directing and his talent,

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but it's surprisingly straightforward

for a Christopher Nolan movie.

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And so for me, I see this as sort

of like a commercial, a young

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commercial effort on his part.

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I agree.

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I think the sound design is amazing.

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There's one scene where they're

approaching the high school

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and you can literally hear.

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The pangs of the metal, part of

the Amer of the flag, hitting

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the pole in front of the school.

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Like there's incredible sound design.

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I also, I won't get into it now,

but I really like the finale.

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I like how the plot unfolds.

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I love the Hillary Swank character and

how slowly gets onto Al Pacino and.

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You know, I enjoyed Memento, but, I think

Christopher Nolan is excellent in getting

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into the headspace of the protagonist.

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And, I just feel like I'm in Al Pacino's

shoes when I'm watching this film.

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I feel incredibly nervous when

he's walking outside late at

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night and he shoots his gun into

like that dead dog or animal.

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Oh, God.

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And it's just like, the fact that he's

willing to take that far, or when he has

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to call The wife of his dead partner,

and he's, there's a close up shot of

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his hand moving a pen along the table

because you know his mind is in it.

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The one line Honestly, that's the

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Nathan: scene of the movie for me.

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Sam: Yeah.

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It's funny, the one line that I really

don't like in the movie, and I don't know

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why that rings really false to me, is when

the wife on the other end of the phone

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is like, Do you hear me, Will Dormer?

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When you find him You

don't arrest him, kill him.

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Like, I feel that in real life, a

person would be so shocked that they

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wouldn't be able to make that leap

of like, you better kill the guy.

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Like that just felt like a kind

of Hollywood ish moment to me.

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I'll wrap this up, but I really liked

the midsection of this movie when

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he's on the ferry with Robin Williams

and they're talking, I just feel.

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I get into their headspace, and I think

the reason why I didn't like it, I mean,

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I didn't love it when I first saw it in

:

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This film, when it was first marketed,

they showed the chase on the logs,

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they showed all these action set

pieces, so I thought it was gonna

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be this kind of Wolfgang Peterson

esque, in the line of fire, like Al

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Pacino's hunting Robin Williams, and

there's gonna be all this action.

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But what we get instead is a psychological

character piece of two different men

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that come together not by choice, but

in a completely twisted situation.

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And even though yes, there is like a

shootout at the end, I just find the movie

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chilling and I, the atmosphere of it.

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The atmosphere of going to remote Alaska

and dealing with characters in this

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kind of podunk middle of nowhere town.

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I find something very

fundamentally appealing about that.

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So I mean, I could go on and on.

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I'll just get to the stars.

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I would give this movie three and a half.

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There, it's certainly not the best

Christopher Nolan movie, but for me.

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Over the past 20 years, I like it.

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More and more each time I see

it, surprisingly, I was surprised

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myself because I literally had the

same reaction as Nathan in:

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I just, this movie I'll end by saying

that this movie for me is like a song on

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the radio that I didn't like at first.

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And then I played it a million times

and it's like one of my favorite songs.

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So that's where I stand.

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I am surprised by my own reaction as you

guys, I was not expecting this movie.

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Has a, this movie just has a.

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A strong effect on me, and I love Pacino's

performance, and his sleep deprivation

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is just painful to watch in a good way.

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So that's kind of where

I'm at with this picture.

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Bee: Okay.

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Man, we're hot and cold.

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I Also, really, I like this movie.

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I enjoyed it a lot.

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I kind of liked Nolan doing the

straightforward storytelling thing.

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I thought Pacino's performance was great.

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You know, for all the great parts

of the story, which I think you

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guys have already highlighted, I

think that the backdrop's amazing.

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I think some of the performances are

amazing and some of the performances

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I don't think are amazing, but there's

a lot of good points to this movie.

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I like that this movie's a little

bit longer than the original.

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I was surprised by how much

this felt like a horror movie.

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I really like, I was interested in

those aspects of it, when it got really

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dark, when it got really gruesome,

when you really saw these things

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sort of like, pulling at the tethers,

pulling at the seams, I was like,

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this is when the movie really has

the juice, and I was really into it.

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I think the first half had me more

invested than the second half.

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And I kind of kept.

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going in and out of the movie.

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Like whenever there was a twist or

something, I'd get reinvested and then

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I would spend a little time with it and

I'd spend some time with characters whose

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performances I wasn't crazy about and then

I'd sort of come out of it a little bit.

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I agree that technically it's very good.

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I did kind of think the framing was

really tight, and I just thought

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it had such a beautiful backdrop.

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I kind of wanted to see even more of it.

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But am I the only one who wasn't crazy

about Robin Williams performance in this?

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You're not.

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Sam: Okay.

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It's funny, I totally understand that.

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Like, I like his performance more

and more, but the first time I

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saw it I was like, oh, he's okay.

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it's weird casting, but I do remember

a moment, my father when he saw the

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movie and sort of a spoiler when like

Robin Williams is like dead underneath

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the water and you just see his face

thinking he had expected him to come

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outta the water and be like, you

know, like doing like comedy shtick.

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But his performance has grown on

me, but, I would not like, I don't.

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I would not, like, defend it to the death,

like, I can see why it would not, yeah.

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Nathan: It's a very muted

performance, and you know, times

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where I like Robin Williams in

dramatic roles, this is not one.

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One hour photo, the same

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Bee: year.

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Nathan: One hour photo, I think he's

really unhinged in it, and I like

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the fact that he's, I feel like,

This was like, like a like he's

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auditioning for opportunities to

be taken as an actor and he goes so

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far into the direction of this muted

performance that it's almost too far.

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Yeah.

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I like going on a photo.

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I like what he does with that, but

it's a very different performance.

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He is a creep in that movie.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I will say, I think what he was,

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Sam: Yeah, I think what they were trying

to go for, like, I agree he could have

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been creepier, but I think that they

were trying to show, like, make him seem

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kind of normal, and then when he's, like,

talking about when he crosses the line

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and he kills that girl, that just, like,

makes my stomach, like, twist, you know?

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And so it's like, he's like a,

like, Repressed psychopath in this

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.

Nathan: I wanna actually ask you guys, what is everyone's

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favorite Robin Williams?

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Dramatic performance in the

era, or at least non comedic.

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Non unhinged, yeah.

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Performance.

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does anyone have a, that's a

good question, a thought on that.

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Sam: Man, I'm gonna be generic.

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I have to say goodwill hunting

is incredibly high up there, but.

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I mean, he's in serious films

like Good Morning Vietnam, but

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he does hilarious shtick in that.

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But I love him in that movie.

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Like,

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Nathan: well, I think that qualifies

because even though his only time

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he's really like, you know, doing the

comedy bits is when he's doing the

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DJ disc jockey stuff in that really.

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:

Brian: And other than,

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Nathan: other than that, he's pretty much,

you know, playing it relatively, I do

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Bee: love.

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:

Nathan: Yeah.

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I would agree.

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Bee: Our photo.

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And yeah.

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I also love Dead Poets Society.

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Sam: He's great in that.

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It's a quality movie.

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I don't know

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Bee: if that qualifies as non comedic, but

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Sam: I will say, Bea, regarding the

close ups, I know what you mean.

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Sometimes Christopher Nolan has a lot of

He uses close ups a lot that sometimes

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irritate me, but in this film, I really

liked the, like, the blood, like Bleeding

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through the carpet or like the close

up of memories or like flashback, the

619

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close ups added to the horror feeling

that you're talking about, which I like,

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Bee: yeah, it definitely did feel harry,

which I thought was some of the best

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parts like him just losing his mind.

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So tell room I thought was really great.

623

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But there was some parts of it like

drawing the connection, you know,

624

:

and this is just a story flaw.

625

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So you could almost say it's

not really Christopher Nolan's.

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:

Fault on this one, right?

627

:

Cause it's a remake, but I don't

think we need to kind of, as an

628

:

audience compare Pacino and Williams's

characters as like, Oh, I don't know.

629

:

They're kind of like, we've

gained empathy with one.

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:

Why not the other?

631

:

Like they just, aren't convincing me

as two halves of the same coin here.

632

:

And it's a theme that appears

later in Nolan's films.

633

:

And I think he does it better.

634

:

Later, I'm just not super sold on

this and I wish I was more so, yeah,

635

:

Nathan: Go ahead.

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:

But I think there's actually a really

interesting dichotomy between the Pacino

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character and the Williams character.

638

:

And cause Williams, there's a,

there's a thing that's going on here.

639

:

Williams claims that he killed

the girl, but didn't mean to.

640

:

Pacino more or less admits that.

641

:

he killed his partner, but you know,

this is a great moment where Williams

642

:

is kind of like asking, well, of

course he didn't mean to do it.

643

:

Right.

644

:

and Williams knows Pacino's

history back in LA.

645

:

We haven't really gotten to the details

of the plot yet, and he knows he's kind

646

:

of a dirty cop and it comes down to this

moral of, do the ends justify the means?

647

:

And I kind of like how Williams

is trying to well, you know, we're

648

:

kind of the same type of thing,

but I don't buy it as an audience.

649

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Like this is not like a Batman

and Joker type of thing, you know,

650

:

we're two halves of the same coin.

651

:

Sam: Exactly.

652

:

I also think that like Pacino,

he's a dirty cop, but like he's.

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:

quote unquote, like good intention

to where I think Robin Williams

654

:

is like way more twisted.

655

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So I don't see the two

of them in each other.

656

:

I feel like Al Pacino has unfortunately

slipped into the darkness and

657

:

his choices have brought him into

close contact with Robin Williams.

658

:

I'll say really quick that liking

Robin Williams restrained performance.

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:

The one time where he does the passive

aggressive performance well is when

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he's being questioned by the police

and he's trying to pin it on Randy.

661

:

And Al Pacino is like

getting really mad at him.

662

:

And he's like, why are we talking

663

:

Bee: about Randy all of a

664

:

Sam: sudden?

665

:

And he's like, we find the

murder weapon and like.

666

:

Robin Williams is like, yeah,

maybe do you think it would help?

667

:

And he's like looking at

Pacino, like, screw you, man.

668

:

You're not going to

sink me in this office.

669

:

So I like that scene.

670

:

Yeah.

671

:

Bee: Yeah.

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:

And I think good writing

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:

Nathan: in there.

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:

Bee: Yeah.

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:

And to both of your points, like,

I don't think we need to buy that.

676

:

Williams and Pacino were

two halves of the same coin.

677

:

We just need to think Pacino thinks

he's slipping and wonders that of him.

678

:

And Williams

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:

Nathan: thinks that there are,

they're connected and that's

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:

what he's getting off on.

681

:

Bee: Yeah.

682

:

I do think then that leads us into

the Hillary Swank character, which is

683

:

of course like her, Only real meat is

the end of the movie, and I just don't

684

:

love the direction of that character.

685

:

I wish, I almost wish that character,

and I don't like to judge movies.

686

:

I'm like, this is what they should have

done, because like, what do I know?

687

:

But it, it just didn't feel like they

had any kind of, I wanted her to be

688

:

more disappointed in him, and like

crestfallen, and I wanted that like,

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:

oh no, like that mentor kind of You

know, did he break her kind of a thing?

690

:

She

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:

Sam: does hero worship him, you

know, even when she knows the

692

:

truth, she tries to hide it.

693

:

He's like, don't lose your way.

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:

Nathan: I know that was part of that.

695

:

By the way, we should mention that

the Hillary Swain character is not.

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:

Character that's really

in the original version.

697

:

She was kind of fabricated, not

fabricated, it's all fictional story,

698

:

but she was created for this version.

699

:

But it was driving me nuts.

700

:

She's written as this green cop that

idolizes Dormer, follows him around

701

:

like a puppy dog, taking notes from him.

702

:

Pacino spews out this nonsense, some

of the most cliched bullshit about

703

:

solving crimes and life advice.

704

:

And she's just sucking it up.

705

:

And like we just talked about, it's

not until the end of the film, she's

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:

given some agency and is faced with

the decision she's still willing to

707

:

break the law for Pacino in the end.

708

:

again, another situation where Nolan.

709

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Really is failing to establish,

like, I feel like some

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:

authentic female characters,

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:

Sam: you know, does have those,

those kind of mentor lines where,

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:

like, he could have borrowed a line

from Glenn Close and Air Force One,

713

:

where he's talking to Hillary Swank.

714

:

He's like, you know, if you give

a mouse a glass of milk, he's

715

:

gonna want a cookie as well.

716

:

Oh, I will say on a humorous note that Al

Pacino does in every good Al Pacino movie.

717

:

He has to have one line

that he just yells.

718

:

Like he has to get Pacino ish and loud.

719

:

And in this film, he's got that great

moment where he's talking to, yup.

720

:

He's like, they found

721

:

Brian: her

722

:

Sam: body in a garbage bag.

723

:

I was like, yes, Pacino and

Christopher Nolan was like, Oh,

724

:

That was good.

725

:

Yes.

726

:

Bee: Yes.

727

:

I wish their relationship had become

something so that her deciding to break

728

:

the law for him or not, what actually

felt like moral weight instead of, you

729

:

know, I wanted her to feel like this

is the hardest decision she's come to.

730

:

And instead it just felt like, well,

you're this guy that I idolize because

731

:

I wrote a thesis about you and, yeah.

732

:

She is kind of on

733

:

Sam: the periphery.

734

:

Like she doesn't get a

lot of, I hear you there.

735

:

She could have had more

moments of, you know, like her

736

:

discovering what's going on.

737

:

Bee: Yeah.

738

:

It's, it frustrated me.

739

:

So I don't know.

740

:

But I was engrossed in the movie.

741

:

I, you know, it hooked me.

742

:

I think it's kind of underrated.

743

:

Like it's super watchable, you know, I

think it's just a good watchable popcorn

744

:

movie with some good performances.

745

:

I'd give it a three.

746

:

I'll shoot right down the middle.

747

:

I will say I

748

:

Sam: liked the even though his, even

though this guy's character annoyed

749

:

me, which actor, which supporting actor

was the guy that like disagreed with.

750

:

Everything Pacino did.

751

:

He was the cop in the town

who was like, Oh, well, yeah.

752

:

He's like, well, you're planning

on telling us that he was like

753

:

every single thing Pacino does.

754

:

He's like, is that really necessary?

755

:

This was already in the report.

756

:

His whole character is like, I'm going

to disagree with everything you say ever.

757

:

And I was like, Oh, you

annoy me, but you're a

758

:

Nathan: great actor.

759

:

every time he shows up,

I love him and things.

760

:

Yeah.

761

:

Sam: Yeah.

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:

Nathan: It's Nicky cat.

763

:

He's great.

764

:

Great mustache.

765

:

Sam: Yeah.

766

:

He was, I mean, his

performance was excellent.

767

:

Nathan: What else I want?

768

:

there's a few other things

I want to mention here.

769

:

The scene in the

770

:

Sam: I like the fog scene, the fog.

771

:

Yeah.

772

:

Nathan: Yes.

773

:

I also want, yeah, that was really cool.

774

:

I want to talk about dual scenes.

775

:

I just, we already mentioned this before,

you know, the, the phone call to Hap's

776

:

family, cause this was my favorite

scene in the movie, cause it really.

777

:

Shows that these are real characters,

and he's got history with Hap's family.

778

:

The daughter answers the phone.

779

:

Dormer or Pacino is clearly

disoriented because I think if

780

:

he was thinking straight, he

would have waited until later.

781

:

To call after the young girl was in bed.

782

:

And I, I liked the fact that it fleshes

out the lives of these characters inside.

783

:

It gives them history.

784

:

He knows his family.

785

:

He knows the wife's name, the real people.

786

:

And what I appreciate is that

when Nolan chooses to shoot

787

:

Pacino, it's all in closeup.

788

:

You know, and it cuts to him, it

cuts him like really no slack at all.

789

:

And like you said, it shows the little

closeup of his hand in the pencil.

790

:

I really love how the scene is done.

791

:

It's, I think it's a great

performance from Pacino.

792

:

It's basically a single take too,

except for those few cutaways.

793

:

So we don't ever see another

angle that it's cut to.

794

:

We're all up in his grill the entire time.

795

:

It's really the audience

holding him accountable.

796

:

For what he's done, his actions.

797

:

I love that scene.

798

:

It's my favorite of the movie.

799

:

There's the great action scene.

800

:

Also, this is the log chase.

801

:

I think we should talk about that.

802

:

That was so stressful.

803

:

Bee: Yeah, that was so stressful.

804

:

I was like,

805

:

Sam: it was stressful, but

it felt It exact me too.

806

:

And it, but it felt like

the physics of it felt real.

807

:

I was like, yes, it was

like, yeah, it makes sense.

808

:

Like Robin Williams, he's like from

the town and he's like running along.

809

:

But like when Al Pacino gets stuck

underwater, I was like the most

810

:

claustrophobic, like that was like a,

just a nightmare, you know, in a good way.

811

:

What works

812

:

Nathan: for me is he falls under, and

this is where like the sound design is

813

:

incredible because do you hear that?

814

:

Like, Echoing reverberation of those

logs, which way feel like they're selling

815

:

away a ton banging into each other.

816

:

And it's just, that's just a great

moment that just builds that tension.

817

:

Yeah, it's, it's really, really

brilliant The whole scene.

818

:

Yeah.

819

:

Bee: It's true.

820

:

Nathan: like,

821

:

Sam: Oh no, keep going.

822

:

Nathan: No, you had something

to say about that scene.

823

:

I was just going to say

824

:

Sam: Nolan likes closeups a

lot in, in a lot of his movies.

825

:

And for me in this movie,

his closeups really work.

826

:

Story wise, character wise, because

you're like in Al Pacino's head,

827

:

but he likes those medium shots.

828

:

And I agree be that like, it'd be

great that if you back out and show

829

:

the town a little bit more, but

at the very least, he does get a

830

:

couple of good Establishing shots.

831

:

It's so funny though.

832

:

Cause like, because the sun never

sets, there's one scene where like

833

:

Al Pacino and Robin Williams are like

talking to each other in the middle of

834

:

the road towards the end of the movie.

835

:

And you're like, guys,

what if someone drives by?

836

:

Like you might want to

like hide in the woods.

837

:

Like that because it's, you know, it's

nighttime and no one's around, but

838

:

like when, because of the fact the sun

never sets when Al Pacino goes out and

839

:

he's like, you know, shoots the bullet

in the middle of the town at night.

840

:

Even though it's daytime looking,

I'm like, man, be more careful.

841

:

Like I wanted to ask you guys too.

842

:

It, it's in a good way, it drives me nuts.

843

:

In a good character driven

way that he doesn't admit what

844

:

happened when he kills his partner.

845

:

I feel like he had a chance right

then and there to be like, I shot him.

846

:

Oh my God.

847

:

I can't believe I did that.

848

:

And the fact that he just goes past

that moment and chooses to cover it up.

849

:

I'm like, yeah.

850

:

You just dug your grave right there.

851

:

You know what I mean?

852

:

Like, I can't believe he did that.

853

:

Nathan: Yeah.

854

:

I mean, this,

855

:

Sam: this was him

856

:

Nathan: crossing

857

:

Bee: the line.

858

:

Oh, sorry, B go ahead.

859

:

No, I was going to say, I think he's

afraid that, you know, people are going

860

:

to see, Oh, you heard he was going to work

on that internal affairs investigation.

861

:

And I don't think he thinks

anyone would believe him.

862

:

Like I think he feels

backed into a corner.

863

:

Nathan: Exactly.

864

:

And which I actually went back and I

watched that scene again a couple of

865

:

days later because I wanted to make

sure I understood this because the

866

:

whole movie hinges on that moment where

they're sitting in the restaurant and

867

:

his partner is going to make a deal.

868

:

Well, this is going to, if he

does this, this undermines.

869

:

All of Al Pacino's entire

career, apparently all of

870

:

everybody that he's put away.

871

:

And then apparently there's some other

person that they convicted could be

872

:

let out some very dangerous person.

873

:

So I didn't, I don't think I caught

this when I watched it probably the

874

:

first two times, but I, understood

a little bit clearer when I watched

875

:

scene again, the implications

by his partner making this deal.

876

:

So it's easy to miss that, but yeah,

that's why he's put in such a tough

877

:

position when he does kill his partner.

878

:

Cause I think everyone knows what this

would have meant for his career, you know.

879

:

if this deal was made what, you know, I,

there was a couple of, questions I had,

880

:

this is kind of a funny thing, you know?

881

:

So was there a scene where Al Pacino's

character he starts to strike up

882

:

a bit of a relationship with the

woman who was played by Maura

883

:

Tierney that works at the hotel.

884

:

Does he sleep with her?

885

:

Cause she wakes up in

his room at one time.

886

:

In his

887

:

Bee: bed.

888

:

Yeah.

889

:

I got the feeling that yes.

890

:

Nathan: Now, Al Pacino was

61 when this film was made,

891

:

Bee: but he's unnecessarily

horny in this role.

892

:

I did not get that connection.

893

:

He very well may have.

894

:

Sam: was, it was so, like, subtle,

like, that she was in the room, but

895

:

I don't know if she was just there to

comfort him, but like, maybe they did.

896

:

I've seen it a couple times and I can't

quite tell, like, just the way it's shot.

897

:

I was like, well, maybe, I don't know.

898

:

Nathan: Okay.

899

:

She's what?

900

:

30 in this movie, 20, 33 in

this movie, Al Pacino's 61.

901

:

Is Al Pacino sexy, attractive,

I mean, really at 61?

902

:

No.

903

:

Bee: No.

904

:

I don't get it.

905

:

I don't understand.

906

:

She was fully clothed.

907

:

I thought that was good.

908

:

it was also weird because it's like, I

was like, Oh, maybe it was like just such

909

:

an emotionally exhausting conversation.

910

:

Like someone needs to lie

down, but she was the helper.

911

:

She wasn't the exhausted one.

912

:

It was him.

913

:

So I don't know where the

like need for respite came in.

914

:

Sam: I think it should have been The movie

should have turned into a musical at that

915

:

moment when he's like talking to her,

he's like, I feel regret for what I did.

916

:

It was not the right thing to do.

917

:

Can you blame me?

918

:

Oh, I find you attractive.

919

:

24601.

920

:

24601, Dorma

921

:

Bee: here,

922

:

Sam: Dorma here.

923

:

Bee: Yeah, that's another

relationship that just felt like

924

:

weirdly rushed and then a lot of

emphasis placed on it out of nowhere,

925

:

just,

926

:

Bee: yeah, well, it wasn't stellar.

927

:

Nathan: How do you, so B, you

also saw the Norwegian version.

928

:

How do you think this compares or

what do you, how do you Cause it's

929

:

very, it's the same story, but the

characterizations are very different.

930

:

Bee: Very different interpretation.

931

:

So I thought the original was much

more bleak and that sort of makes

932

:

this one look more Americanized, I

guess, for lack of a better word,

933

:

you know, the dog's already dead.

934

:

Nathan: thing with the dog

was Sam, I don't want to spoil

935

:

for you, but it's brutal.

936

:

And the character, it's an Al

Pacino character who's played

937

:

by Stellan Skarsgård, he is a.

938

:

Bad person in that movie.

939

:

Bee: Yeah.

940

:

It's just a different perspective on

941

:

Sam: it.

942

:

Bee: Yeah.

943

:

The Americanization just, it just

felt a little more like hopeful.

944

:

It felt a little more like, you know,

morally we want to be the shiny good

945

:

guys that I just comparatively, I think

you know, we compared it to some novels

946

:

that were popular around the time.

947

:

And I think that's probably true.

948

:

Yeah.

949

:

Yeah.

950

:

I don't know that I

really loved either one.

951

:

Yes, Sam?

952

:

Sam: in the American version, I know

how you mean how it's like Americanized,

953

:

it's like, we may have a tough case.

954

:

We may be having problems,

but we can always go to Dunkin

955

:

Donuts and get a coffee.

956

:

It is no longer Al Pacino, it's Dunk

a chino, Dunk a chino, ho ho ho, it's

957

:

gonna be okay, I committed murder,

but I'm kind of a good guy, you know?

958

:

Bee: I was hoping we'd get

a Dunk a chino reference.

959

:

Yeah.

960

:

So thank you, Sam.

961

:

Would you like a Dunkin

962

:

Sam: Chino?

963

:

Don't mind if I do.

964

:

Bee: Yes.

965

:

And like, I don't really know that

I came away loving either movie.

966

:

I actually think I kind

of prefer her Pachino's.

967

:

Vision for the character a little

bit more you know, they're just, they

968

:

just sort of read as different movies.

969

:

Yeah.

970

:

Nathan: So one of the, I have a gripe

when I have a couple of graphs, but

971

:

there's one that has nothing really

that's per se to do about this movie,

972

:

but this was, I laugh every time

I think about this and I might be.

973

:

Well, I don't know.

974

:

I might be misremembering, you know,

back when I saw this in:

975

:

I thought the perpetual daylight played

a much bigger role in this movie.

976

:

At least I remembered it.

977

:

Now, when I see Pacino breaking down

But maybe I was remembering scenes from

978

:

the, the 97 version of this because I

think that movie, it plays a bigger role.

979

:

You see the Stellan Skarsgård constantly

fighting with the shades and dealing

980

:

with that the aspect of the story.

981

:

I feel like a little bit

more than this movie.

982

:

And maybe because I saw those

movies very close together.

983

:

You know, like 20, 25 years ago, I

was kind of mixing them together,

984

:

but now I've seen them again.

985

:

I realized that there, I see more of the

effects of his exhaustion is in less of

986

:

like the actual fighting the, I don't

know how I'm trying to say here, but

987

:

like, I think both movies are kind of

bleeding together, those characters and

988

:

like how they were dealing with this

lack of nighttime, but this is kind

989

:

of, this is what kind of made me laugh.

990

:

It's just seems so

obvious that if you live.

991

:

In Nightmute, Alaska, where

there are extended parts of the

992

:

year where the sun doesn't set.

993

:

And this might be like the 2024 in May

and maybe in:

994

:

I don't know, but face masks would

be sold at every corner store.

995

:

Blocking out the sun

should not be a problem.

996

:

Everybody should have

a perfect sleep easily.

997

:

Yeah, I don't understand.

998

:

Sam: 100%.

999

:

Nathan: How come, like,

this is not an easy fix?

:

00:47:29,579 --> 00:47:31,839

Bee: Yeah, you have to just,

like, sort of buy into the

:

00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:33,629

conceit of the movie on that one.

:

00:47:34,409 --> 00:47:36,159

That, there's like, just, come on,

:

00:47:36,179 --> 00:47:37,229

come on, really?

:

00:47:37,419 --> 00:47:40,209

He's from out of town, you know?

:

00:47:40,439 --> 00:47:41,719

Do you not know this exists?

:

00:47:41,789 --> 00:47:42,949

Maybe they didn't exist.

:

00:47:42,949 --> 00:47:43,659

I don't know.

:

00:47:43,659 --> 00:47:45,019

Je ne sais pas.

:

00:47:46,689 --> 00:47:47,549

Sam: can you blame me?

:

00:47:47,649 --> 00:47:49,409

Would I fire bullets at myself?

:

00:47:49,409 --> 00:47:50,519

Would I blow up my own car?

:

00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:51,229

Aw, man.

:

00:47:51,284 --> 00:47:52,341

did I lose connection again?

:

00:47:52,501 --> 00:47:53,261

Son of a bitch.

:

00:47:53,591 --> 00:47:54,081

I'm going.

:

00:47:54,081 --> 00:47:54,241

No.

:

00:47:54,241 --> 00:47:56,301

Oh, wow.

:

00:47:56,301 --> 00:48:01,281

Nathan: And there's another

trope that I think is funny.

:

00:48:01,291 --> 00:48:02,751

there's the small town.

:

00:48:02,801 --> 00:48:03,021

Brian: There's,

:

00:48:03,091 --> 00:48:05,201

Nathan: there's the big though.

:

00:48:05,211 --> 00:48:11,071

That's the, the big LA cops always being

sent to the small towns to solve problems.

:

00:48:13,806 --> 00:48:15,376

It seems like even Robin

:

00:48:15,376 --> 00:48:18,846

Bee: Williams is like, I thought I

could handle these podunk cops out

:

00:48:18,846 --> 00:48:23,776

here, but then, whoa, you guys came in

from LA and I was shaking in my boots.

:

00:48:24,216 --> 00:48:25,836

Yeah, it's super tropey.

:

00:48:25,856 --> 00:48:28,416

I think it relies really heavily on very

:

00:48:28,466 --> 00:48:30,396

thinly crafted relationships.

:

00:48:30,756 --> 00:48:33,736

All of that said, like,

yeah, I've seen worse movies.

:

00:48:33,736 --> 00:48:35,786

It's just

:

00:48:35,786 --> 00:48:40,636

Bee: like I, and I'm also as a movie

watcher, generally pretty gullible, you

:

00:48:40,636 --> 00:48:45,036

know, I'm just on board for whatever

the director wants to tell me and what

:

00:48:45,036 --> 00:48:46,596

I'm supposed to believe at that point.

:

00:48:46,596 --> 00:48:49,376

So I think I was fine just kind of.

:

00:48:50,841 --> 00:48:53,211

Watching it and just going along with it.

:

00:48:53,991 --> 00:48:59,491

Nathan: I really, I think I'm just extra

harsh in this because I'm such a huge fan.

:

00:49:00,231 --> 00:49:06,651

Of the movies that he did surrounding

this and this error of knowing, this

:

00:49:06,651 --> 00:49:10,781

just sticks out as like something

that I just don't understand

:

00:49:10,811 --> 00:49:12,971

what he's trying to do here.

:

00:49:12,971 --> 00:49:15,031

What makes this movie special?

:

00:49:15,051 --> 00:49:19,991

And I feel like there's nothing

special about this film.

:

00:49:20,621 --> 00:49:23,181

And like I said before, it feels like

:

00:49:24,031 --> 00:49:25,991

Sam: I understand that

it's a motor like, I would,

:

00:49:26,071 --> 00:49:27,241

Nathan: I would want to see this.

:

00:49:27,281 --> 00:49:28,461

I really am serious.

:

00:49:28,501 --> 00:49:33,621

I would love to see this as

a six, eight episode series.

:

00:49:33,841 --> 00:49:38,531

I think this would be an amazing

story and I want to see it that way.

:

00:49:38,561 --> 00:49:39,591

And again, I'm not going to.

:

00:49:39,641 --> 00:49:42,951

Keep rehashing that because we're

just, you know, elongating this

:

00:49:42,971 --> 00:49:44,311

episode for no good reason at all.

:

00:49:44,311 --> 00:49:45,851

But I, I really feel that way.

:

00:49:45,861 --> 00:49:46,891

This is a great idea.

:

00:49:46,891 --> 00:49:47,651

It does have a

:

00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:50,371

Sam: more like safe commercial feel to it.

:

00:49:52,341 --> 00:49:52,631

Yeah.

:

00:49:52,841 --> 00:49:53,481

Well, here's,

:

00:49:54,271 --> 00:49:58,271

Bee: here's a question because we

sort of asked the inverse before, do

:

00:49:58,271 --> 00:50:02,911

you think this movie would have been

helped with some nonlinear editing,

:

00:50:06,241 --> 00:50:09,151

Sam: maybe a little bit, but

it could have been dangerously

:

00:50:09,161 --> 00:50:10,851

gimmicky if done the wrong way.

:

00:50:12,391 --> 00:50:18,111

Nathan: Yeah, I don't know, but it does,

it does do something that is interesting.

:

00:50:18,111 --> 00:50:19,231

that is unexpected.

:

00:50:19,261 --> 00:50:22,391

You know, I like how this film

kind of transitions its narrative

:

00:50:22,621 --> 00:50:23,451

halfway through the film.

:

00:50:23,451 --> 00:50:27,171

Cause you think what you're watching

here, it's set up as a mystery surrounding

:

00:50:27,491 --> 00:50:32,431

the pursuit of a serial killer, but

you know, Pacino resolves the mystery.

:

00:50:32,611 --> 00:50:34,941

Pretty fast half of the movie.

:

00:50:35,081 --> 00:50:36,831

We know who the killer is.

:

00:50:36,941 --> 00:50:40,951

We know pretty much everything,

all the facts of this case.

:

00:50:42,011 --> 00:50:44,351

And I'm thinking, well, where are

we going to go with this movie now?

:

00:50:44,851 --> 00:50:51,471

what seamlessly evolves into is a deeper

exploration of characters immorality.

:

00:50:51,541 --> 00:50:53,161

and that's what this movie is.

:

00:50:53,181 --> 00:50:54,691

It's not a mystery.

:

00:50:54,731 --> 00:50:55,841

It's not a murder mystery at all.

:

00:50:55,851 --> 00:50:56,811

It is really just.

:

00:50:57,151 --> 00:50:58,171

something completely different.

:

00:50:58,381 --> 00:51:00,771

And that's what I like about that twist.

:

00:51:00,851 --> 00:51:01,891

It's something else

:

00:51:02,431 --> 00:51:04,331

Sam: It's like the reason

I like the movie, like that

:

00:51:04,331 --> 00:51:06,411

twist is what does it for me?

:

00:51:06,471 --> 00:51:09,701

That twist really makes it

better than if he just solved it.

:

00:51:09,711 --> 00:51:13,091

Like the twist certainly helps,

but I totally agree with you there.

:

00:51:14,686 --> 00:51:15,906

Bee: I was the whole time.

:

00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:21,476

Like what kept my attention was did

Al Pacino know it was his partner?

:

00:51:21,946 --> 00:51:24,881

You know, like I was, I

was also wondering, I don't

:

00:51:24,881 --> 00:51:25,876

Sam: think did, that's

just my interpretation.

:

00:51:25,881 --> 00:51:27,061

I don't think he knew.

:

00:51:27,151 --> 00:51:27,421

Yeah,

:

00:51:28,071 --> 00:51:29,451

Bee: I don't think he did in the end.

:

00:51:29,451 --> 00:51:30,471

I think I came around to that.

:

00:51:30,471 --> 00:51:32,631

I think it could be swayed to

the other side of that easily.

:

00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:36,461

But throughout the film, I kept

coming back to that central question.

:

00:51:36,491 --> 00:51:36,551

Yeah.

:

00:51:36,611 --> 00:51:37,421

As a viewer.

:

00:51:37,751 --> 00:51:39,581

And that's what kept

me hooked on the film.

:

00:51:40,221 --> 00:51:41,601

That's what I think that he got so,

:

00:51:42,276 --> 00:51:46,481

Sam: so sleep deprived that I think he

got so sleep deprived that he just lost

:

00:51:46,486 --> 00:51:48,641

his way and is like, maybe I, maybe I did.

:

00:51:48,641 --> 00:51:49,421

I don't know anymore.

:

00:51:49,451 --> 00:51:49,931

'cause he's like.

:

00:51:50,161 --> 00:51:51,281

Losing his mind.

:

00:51:51,321 --> 00:51:51,831

Basically,

:

00:51:51,881 --> 00:51:55,201

Nathan: I don't think he was sleep

deprived when he shot his partner though.

:

00:51:56,081 --> 00:51:59,901

Sam: No, but I think it was an

honest mistake, or at least that's

:

00:52:00,151 --> 00:52:03,781

how it felt like it was directed,

but it's open to interpretation.

:

00:52:05,101 --> 00:52:05,631

Nathan: All right.

:

00:52:06,181 --> 00:52:09,521

Why don't we take a break for a moment?

:

00:52:11,511 --> 00:52:14,791

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Okay, I almost knocked my microphone,

so we're going to come back now with

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our closing thoughts and our decision

if insomnia from Christopher Nolan is

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going to be preserved in our fallout

shelter in the vault for to survive

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the impending asteroid apocalypse, or

if it's going to suffer the fate of a

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00:53:33,906 --> 00:53:37,196

fiery death, never to be seen again.

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Burned forever.

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. Okay.

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00:53:44,371 --> 00:53:45,211

That's our new sound.

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00:53:47,671 --> 00:53:49,531

Sam, why don't you just do

all of our sound effects.

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00:53:50,141 --> 00:53:50,411

Bee: Yeah.

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00:53:50,411 --> 00:53:51,581

Brian: Sam's like a man fully.

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00:53:51,581 --> 00:53:52,751

Don't mind if I do.

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Yeah.

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Dunk Ccino.

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Ho.

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Well, well, maybe not

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.

Nathan: Okay.

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I, okay.

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I I'm not gonna retread it again.

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I've said it before.

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00:54:10,321 --> 00:54:18,431

I think this movie is ordinary at

best and that no one has done so many

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00:54:18,431 --> 00:54:22,501

better films and I think maybe the

movie we're going to do next week

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00:54:22,751 --> 00:54:24,611

is probably one of his best as well.

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And I do not feel that this is

anything special that needs to be

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preserved for future generations.

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I think the murder mystery genre

has been done many times before.

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There are much better Al Pacino movies

as much better Robin Williams movies.

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00:54:40,216 --> 00:54:43,346

This is not the film that

I think best represents.

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00:54:43,706 --> 00:54:48,686

Any of these very fine

artists of their best work.

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So I unfortunately say, no,

I do not believe we need to

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include this in our vault.

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And that's just how I feel.

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Bee: one man's opinion.

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Sam.

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Sam: Sam, because I'm probably

going to lose the connection.

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I'll just say, yes, I would include

it in the vault without saying any

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more words before I get cut off For

no reason other than I've watched this

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movie on a rainy day in the underground.

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Bee: It can't rain.

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Sam: Acid rain.

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Let's

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Nathan: say we have a leak.

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I hope there's not a leak in our, Oh God.

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00:55:24,391 --> 00:55:24,621

That would be

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Sam: all.

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Don't caccino.

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Don't caccino.

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Bee: Oh my God.

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All right.

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So it's up to me.

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I'm the tiebreaker.

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You are.

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Yeah.

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This isn't easy.

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No, for me.

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I liked it.

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I enjoyed it.

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I think it's underrated.

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We don't need to save it forever.

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Nathan: Did not hesitate.

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All right.

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There you have it.

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Onto other Nolan films.

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Bee: There we go.

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Stay tuned next week.

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Nathan: Well, don't worry.

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There's there, there's other Nolan films,

there's other Pacino films, there's

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other Robin Williams films that I'm sure.

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That's right.

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We'll squeeze in some day

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00:56:10,436 --> 00:56:14,716

Sam: Al Pacino's best film ever is

88 minutes is a masterpiece Just get

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00:56:14,766 --> 00:56:15,886

Nathan: one with Edward Burns.

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00:56:16,246 --> 00:56:18,336

Sam: Yeah, it's the one where he's

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00:56:18,486 --> 00:56:19,316

Nathan: never seen it

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00:56:19,366 --> 00:56:23,026

Sam: He's like what I fire bullets

at myself when I blow up my own car.

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00:56:23,126 --> 00:56:23,676

No

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Bee: I can't tell if

you're like sarcastically

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00:56:27,651 --> 00:56:29,101

recommending that to me or not,

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00:56:29,221 --> 00:56:32,621

Sam: cause I know well, it, you

will be amused if you watch it.

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It is amusing.

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00:56:33,461 --> 00:56:34,091

Put it that way.

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Trailer: Okay.

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00:56:35,821 --> 00:56:36,451

Sir.

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Sam: What?

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00:56:37,761 --> 00:56:39,581

Trailer: Are either one of these any good?

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00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:40,811

I don't watch movies.

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Well, have you heard anything

about either one of them?

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00:56:44,981 --> 00:56:47,461

I find it's best to stay out

of other people's affairs.

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00:56:48,271 --> 00:56:52,431

You mean you haven't heard anybody say

anything about either one of these?

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Nope.

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Nope.

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00:56:58,576 --> 00:56:59,876

Well, what about these two?

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00:57:00,116 --> 00:57:00,396

Nathan: Oh, they

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Trailer: suck.

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00:57:01,326 --> 00:57:05,236

Nathan: So we're just going to go to our

next segment, which is our movie pairings.

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This is where we recommend a film

for a double feature with our main

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feature, which is insomnia this week.

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So what would be a great

film to watch with this film?

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And I guess since I went

first tonight, I will begin.

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So my recommendation as a double

feature with insomnia, which

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I think is kind of a perfect.

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00:57:34,301 --> 00:57:38,131

Movie because it balances

out the movie insomnia.

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00:57:38,561 --> 00:57:43,941

So where insomnia puts you in a

world where the sun doesn't set the

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00:57:43,941 --> 00:57:48,391

film, I'm recommending puts you in

a world where the sun never rises.

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00:57:49,271 --> 00:57:55,211

And that, of course, is the:

highly underrated vampire flick

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00:57:55,261 --> 00:57:57,431

from David Slade, 30 Days of Night.

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00:57:58,901 --> 00:58:01,411

Bee: I have never even heard of this.

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00:58:02,631 --> 00:58:08,341

Nathan: If, so I haven't seen this in

quite some time, but what I can say is

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00:58:08,341 --> 00:58:15,091

that there are lots of bad vampire movies

out there, but 30 days of night works

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00:58:15,461 --> 00:58:17,981

because it has a really great premise.

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00:58:18,291 --> 00:58:22,221

You got people stranded in an

Alaskan town during the period of

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00:58:22,221 --> 00:58:27,611

the year where the sun doesn't rise

and toss in a vampire outbreak.

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00:58:28,341 --> 00:58:30,851

I mean the movie just writes itself.

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00:58:31,511 --> 00:58:32,371

Yeah, that sounds fun.

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00:58:32,576 --> 00:58:32,676

Yeah.

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00:58:32,726 --> 00:58:37,496

It stars Josh Hartnett, Melissa

George, Danny Houston, and Ben Foster.

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00:58:38,356 --> 00:58:39,386

Bee: You had me at Josh Hartnett.

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00:58:40,326 --> 00:58:43,816

Nathan: It's an awesome cast, especially

Danny Houston as the head vampire.

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00:58:44,406 --> 00:58:49,176

It's an incredibly violent movie,

vicious and gory, but I like that.

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00:58:49,176 --> 00:58:52,326

It gives the vampires their own mythos.

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00:58:52,356 --> 00:58:53,406

they have a unique look

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00:58:53,406 --> 00:58:55,096

Bee: and

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00:58:55,096 --> 00:58:56,586

Nathan: distinctive characteristics.

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00:58:57,241 --> 00:58:59,621

You haven't seen in other vampire movies.

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00:58:59,631 --> 00:59:03,431

So in Hartnett is solid as the lead,

as the sheriff defending the town.

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00:59:03,681 --> 00:59:07,691

This also prompts me to propose a

sub genre we should do sometime.

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00:59:07,691 --> 00:59:09,121

And that would be small town.

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00:59:09,131 --> 00:59:10,931

Sheriff's fighting monsters.

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00:59:11,471 --> 00:59:13,331

Bee: Yes, I'm down the dead.

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00:59:13,331 --> 00:59:13,711

Don't die.

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00:59:13,711 --> 00:59:14,121

Let's do it.

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00:59:14,411 --> 00:59:14,491

Yeah.

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00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:15,471

Yes, exactly.

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00:59:15,591 --> 00:59:15,861

Yeah.

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00:59:15,861 --> 00:59:18,921

Nathan: So 30 days a night I

think is right now streaming

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00:59:18,921 --> 00:59:20,781

on Netflix and on Pluto TV.

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00:59:22,011 --> 00:59:22,321

Nathan,

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00:59:22,321 --> 00:59:24,291

Bee: I know we're both Jarmusch fans.

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00:59:24,291 --> 00:59:26,241

Have you seen Only Lovers Left Alive?

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00:59:26,271 --> 00:59:28,301

Speaking of vampires

with their own mythos.

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00:59:28,361 --> 00:59:29,141

Nathan: Yeah.

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00:59:29,211 --> 00:59:30,021

Bee: That's another great

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00:59:30,021 --> 00:59:30,231

Nathan: Yeah.

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00:59:31,271 --> 00:59:32,081

I do like that a lot.

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00:59:32,741 --> 00:59:33,701

That's a classic.

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00:59:33,951 --> 00:59:34,361

Okay.

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00:59:35,991 --> 00:59:37,281

Who's stepping up next here?

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00:59:37,341 --> 00:59:38,121

I'll give it a shot.

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00:59:38,181 --> 00:59:38,681

Sam: Can you hear me now?

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00:59:38,681 --> 00:59:38,971

Yes.

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00:59:39,021 --> 00:59:39,161

Yeah.

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00:59:39,421 --> 00:59:43,431

So I would go, we actually mentioned

this movie on this podcast earlier

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00:59:43,431 --> 00:59:48,061

today because of the duality and

nature of, of conflicting darkness.

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00:59:48,071 --> 00:59:52,671

I would go with Changing Lanes

with Ben Affleck and Samuel L.

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00:59:52,671 --> 00:59:53,171

Jackson.

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00:59:53,431 --> 00:59:55,191

I actually really liked that movie.

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00:59:55,601 --> 00:59:57,301

it's very loosely connected.

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00:59:57,381 --> 01:00:01,881

There is no snow in it, but there is

both light and dark in both characters.

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01:00:02,241 --> 01:00:04,471

And it's I think you guys

would have a really good time.

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01:00:04,471 --> 01:00:08,711

Changing Lanes, character driven

So that's my recommend and I will

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01:00:08,721 --> 01:00:10,361

stop talking before I disappear.

:

01:00:15,021 --> 01:00:18,051

Nathan: I'm just looking at where

changing lanes is available right now,

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01:00:18,051 --> 01:00:19,801

but you can go ahead as I look that up.

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01:00:20,211 --> 01:00:20,811

Bee: Yeah, Sure.

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01:00:21,171 --> 01:00:26,971

So my recommendation, I feel like

very closely aligns with this movie.

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01:00:27,081 --> 01:00:30,071

If you like cop movies.

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01:00:30,271 --> 01:00:32,401

That are kind of horror movies.

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01:00:32,721 --> 01:00:38,501

If you like disturbing sequences, if you

are a film bro who likes big film bro

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01:00:38,501 --> 01:00:45,681

directors, or if you like the concept

of the good guys questioning their own

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01:00:45,681 --> 01:00:50,764

morality and seeing themselves in the bad

guy, then, if you haven't already, pair

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01:00:50,764 --> 01:00:52,449

this movie with David Fincher's Seven.

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01:00:52,449 --> 01:00:56,549

And Also alluded to in this podcast

or just before the podcast when

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01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:57,849

Sam was asking, what's in the bag?

:

01:00:58,459 --> 01:00:59,349

it's a classic.

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01:01:00,819 --> 01:01:02,009

What's in the bag?

:

01:01:02,009 --> 01:01:05,459

I think it's better than insomnia.

:

01:01:05,489 --> 01:01:06,029

I watched it.

:

01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:07,299

I rewatched it recently.

:

01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:08,479

I think it's a classic.

:

01:01:08,489 --> 01:01:09,279

I think it's a great movie.

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01:01:09,279 --> 01:01:10,699

It's full of great performances.

:

01:01:10,779 --> 01:01:12,806

So you'll just have two

good movies to watch.

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01:01:14,576 --> 01:01:14,876

Nathan: All right.

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01:01:14,886 --> 01:01:15,256

Love it.

:

01:01:16,216 --> 01:01:20,926

I did check by the way, not, oh,

so where is a seven available now?

:

01:01:21,066 --> 01:01:23,326

Showtime and VOD, baby.

:

01:01:23,626 --> 01:01:25,276

Same thing with changing lanes.

:

01:01:25,276 --> 01:01:26,216

I just checked it.

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01:01:26,236 --> 01:01:28,276

Showtime VOD in on Paramount plus.

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01:01:28,866 --> 01:01:30,696

All right.

:

01:01:30,746 --> 01:01:31,166

Excellent.

:

01:01:31,196 --> 01:01:34,886

So we got three movie pairings

for everyone out there.

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01:01:34,896 --> 01:01:35,766

Go check them out.

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01:01:37,066 --> 01:01:37,686

All right.

:

01:01:39,061 --> 01:01:44,981

So we're going to wrap things up here,

but before we do any thing we want

:

01:01:44,981 --> 01:01:48,731

to talk about that we saw in the last

week I think you and I saw monkey, man.

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01:01:50,021 --> 01:01:50,271

Yeah.

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01:01:50,421 --> 01:01:51,881

Anything you want to mention about that?

:

01:01:51,891 --> 01:01:54,171

That was kind of a, I

had a good time with it.

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01:01:54,561 --> 01:01:55,181

Bee: I had a great time.

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01:01:55,201 --> 01:01:55,461

Yeah.

:

01:01:55,471 --> 01:01:56,801

I thought it was really promising.

:

01:01:56,801 --> 01:01:57,771

I thought it was stylish.

:

01:01:57,771 --> 01:02:02,581

I thought it was very referential

in ways that I found mostly fun.

:

01:02:02,921 --> 01:02:05,191

I had some problems with it,

but Hey, it's a debut, you know,

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01:02:05,541 --> 01:02:07,531

Nathan: yeah,

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01:02:07,531 --> 01:02:10,551

Bee: and let me tell you, Dave, Dev

Patel, the director really knows

:

01:02:10,551 --> 01:02:11,961

what to do with Dev Patel, the actor.

:

01:02:12,341 --> 01:02:14,591

Nathan: I thought, and that is

like focus on his face, just

:

01:02:14,591 --> 01:02:17,731

brooding and a lot of intense eyes,

:

01:02:18,101 --> 01:02:21,561

Bee: sort of like this very elegant

sort of balletic, even in the

:

01:02:21,561 --> 01:02:25,021

fight scene, really understood

the poet fighter kind of a thing.

:

01:02:25,111 --> 01:02:26,011

I saw a lot of.

:

01:02:26,301 --> 01:02:29,471

You know, I tend to go into movies

blind so I picked up on a lot of

:

01:02:29,471 --> 01:02:32,421

references and then watched a lot of

interviews and they were there like

:

01:02:32,421 --> 01:02:34,371

Bruce Lee is a big one John Wick.

:

01:02:34,381 --> 01:02:38,981

I was happy to see just such a colorful

movie, like there was just so much color

:

01:02:39,101 --> 01:02:40,681

in the film for such a violent movie.

:

01:02:40,681 --> 01:02:41,291

I thought it was great.

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01:02:42,111 --> 01:02:43,411

Nathan: Yeah, I liked it too.

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01:02:43,411 --> 01:02:48,011

I was kind of, Whoa, I wasn't, I liked it.

:

01:02:48,031 --> 01:02:51,011

I was, but I was also kind of

lukewarm on it too at times.

:

01:02:51,151 --> 01:02:52,511

it felt very messy.

:

01:02:52,791 --> 01:02:56,241

it's obviously getting a lot of

comparisons to John wick in a lot of ways.

:

01:02:56,671 --> 01:03:00,451

But it's not, gunplay, gunfu, it's

definitely more hand to hand, but I like

:

01:03:00,451 --> 01:03:04,391

the fact that it's, a low budget kind of

streamlined movie and it doesn't seem to

:

01:03:04,401 --> 01:03:09,071

have any pretensions of like starting a

franchise, although I think it will, and

:

01:03:09,081 --> 01:03:14,691

I kind of hope it does because I think

it could be a lot of fun if they do that,

:

01:03:14,691 --> 01:03:16,941

I, I think, I think he's got the goods.

:

01:03:17,126 --> 01:03:22,056

Dev Patel to to to do that, but I like

the fact that it doesn't need to, if

:

01:03:22,056 --> 01:03:25,026

it doesn't, it feels like they weren't

trying to bite off more than they could

:

01:03:25,026 --> 01:03:27,306

chew, like setting up a whole universe.

:

01:03:28,456 --> 01:03:30,336

So I had a good time with it.

:

01:03:30,476 --> 01:03:30,736

Yeah.

:

01:03:30,826 --> 01:03:33,806

Bee: I had a lot of issues

with the editing and that led

:

01:03:33,806 --> 01:03:35,636

to some like story issues.

:

01:03:35,746 --> 01:03:39,216

Just some pacing stuff, but

overall, I was really happy with it.

:

01:03:39,246 --> 01:03:42,056

It kind of reminded me of some like

Shaw brothers again, just throwing a

:

01:03:42,056 --> 01:03:43,816

lot of referential stuff out there.

:

01:03:43,816 --> 01:03:47,566

You could see that Dev is just

a student of film, you know, and

:

01:03:47,566 --> 01:03:48,696

that's, that's always fun to watch.

:

01:03:49,246 --> 01:03:51,076

Nathan: I want to mention

one other thing that I saw.

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01:03:51,076 --> 01:03:52,046

This is kind of funny.

:

01:03:52,046 --> 01:03:58,571

I haven't watched wrestling in 33 years.

:

01:03:58,601 --> 01:03:59,351

Where's this, this going?

:

01:03:59,356 --> 01:04:01,546

I, I stopped over at my, you

finally saw the Iron Claw?

:

01:04:02,066 --> 01:04:05,921

I, no, but I saw, I stopped over at my

father's house a couple years ago, and

:

01:04:05,921 --> 01:04:11,431

my brother, my sister and my dad were

watching WrestleMania 40 over the weekend.

:

01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:12,481

I'm like, what is going on?

:

01:04:12,486 --> 01:04:15,481

Like, like Nathan, we're

watching WrestleMania.

:

01:04:15,541 --> 01:04:16,561

I'm like, oh, oh my

:

01:04:16,646 --> 01:04:16,806

God.

:

01:04:16,946 --> 01:04:17,166

And

:

01:04:17,171 --> 01:04:17,911

Nathan: like, do you wanna watch it?

:

01:04:17,911 --> 01:04:20,401

I'm like, I haven't really watched

wrestling in a while, but I'm like,

:

01:04:20,761 --> 01:04:22,171

Hey, I'm ready for Hulkamania.

:

01:04:22,201 --> 01:04:22,951

Let's bring it on.

:

01:04:23,161 --> 01:04:24,901

So , I watched.

:

01:04:25,346 --> 01:04:27,436

Wrestlemania Saturday night.

:

01:04:27,776 --> 01:04:28,136

Nice.

:

01:04:28,686 --> 01:04:29,816

And wow.

:

01:04:30,156 --> 01:04:30,936

You know what?

:

01:04:31,546 --> 01:04:35,916

it wasn't bad, but there over

the course of four hours.

:

01:04:37,281 --> 01:04:45,601

There were seven matches so much,

so much like parading around so much

:

01:04:45,601 --> 01:04:49,821

pageantry outside of the actual matches.

:

01:04:49,821 --> 01:04:54,411

I'm like, when are they actually going to

get to matches and the actual wrestling.

:

01:04:55,446 --> 01:04:58,506

Technically was very, very good.

:

01:04:58,506 --> 01:05:00,606

And again, I'm not telling you

I'm a wrestling fan at all.

:

01:05:00,606 --> 01:05:02,826

I have not, I have abandoned my wrestling.

:

01:05:02,826 --> 01:05:03,276

This is such a bro

:

01:05:03,276 --> 01:05:04,296

Bee: podcast now.

:

01:05:04,416 --> 01:05:07,926

Nathan: I know, but I have to say,

I was impressed with the actual

:

01:05:07,926 --> 01:05:11,536

wrestling matches, but I'm just

saying like, I was so frustrated.

:

01:05:11,536 --> 01:05:15,281

Like my family's sucking this up,

but I was like, this is ridiculous.

:

01:05:15,701 --> 01:05:18,041

There was one thing that

was just so aggravating.

:

01:05:18,041 --> 01:05:21,641

It was called like this six

man tag team ladder match.

:

01:05:22,311 --> 01:05:24,921

Dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.

:

01:05:24,971 --> 01:05:28,401

And we are alienating the entire

wrestling community out there

:

01:05:28,401 --> 01:05:29,431

that listens to our podcasts.

:

01:05:29,461 --> 01:05:32,841

I am sorry, but you people

are insane for liking this.

:

01:05:32,901 --> 01:05:34,141

I mean, maybe they're also

:

01:05:34,141 --> 01:05:38,441

Bee: hungry for older, you

know, older styles of the show.

:

01:05:38,991 --> 01:05:41,611

Nathan: But it was funny because

also at the very end of this was a

:

01:05:41,681 --> 01:05:43,721

wrestling match that involved the rock.

:

01:05:44,406 --> 01:05:47,086

I didn't watch the second, apparently

WrestleMania is two nights now.

:

01:05:47,096 --> 01:05:48,046

I didn't even know that.

:

01:05:48,306 --> 01:05:49,616

So they said, you got to come back Sunday.

:

01:05:49,616 --> 01:05:50,316

I'm like, I can't.

:

01:05:51,156 --> 01:05:51,396

Yeah.

:

01:05:51,396 --> 01:05:53,546

Cause Sunday night is when

I left for the eclipse.

:

01:05:53,546 --> 01:05:55,836

I'm like, I don't have eight

hours of WrestleMania in me.

:

01:05:55,846 --> 01:05:57,006

It's like, forget that.

:

01:05:57,266 --> 01:05:58,476

Bee: No way.

:

01:05:58,516 --> 01:06:02,566

Nathan: But I saw the rock for the first

time and I, but the rock is a heel.

:

01:06:02,566 --> 01:06:02,846

Now.

:

01:06:02,846 --> 01:06:03,576

I didn't know that.

:

01:06:03,596 --> 01:06:05,046

I don't get what goes on.

:

01:06:07,166 --> 01:06:09,786

Bee: Did you watch wrestling during

like the Rock and South connection?

:

01:06:09,796 --> 01:06:11,856

Nathan: No, I stopped in like:

:

01:06:11,896 --> 01:06:12,376

I stopped.

:

01:06:12,876 --> 01:06:17,216

I was all into like, like,

like Randy Savage and.

:

01:06:17,971 --> 01:06:22,321

And Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan,

and you know, Hacksaw, Jim Duggan.

:

01:06:22,321 --> 01:06:25,791

I was in the eighties and

just until the early nineties.

:

01:06:26,061 --> 01:06:28,071

Some would say that was the golden era.

:

01:06:28,311 --> 01:06:29,261

I thought it was great.

:

01:06:29,361 --> 01:06:34,521

I came back briefly in the late nineties

when I went with my family to see

:

01:06:34,551 --> 01:06:36,921

at a local oven, I think Worcester.

:

01:06:37,211 --> 01:06:39,511

And I was like, I actually

was really offended by it.

:

01:06:39,511 --> 01:06:40,741

It was so vulgar.

:

01:06:41,161 --> 01:06:43,011

And, it was not my scene.

:

01:06:43,011 --> 01:06:45,021

So I have not gone back anyways.

:

01:06:45,251 --> 01:06:47,151

So I got to see WrestleMania and it was

:

01:06:47,321 --> 01:06:49,181

Bee: hung up as spandex folks.

:

01:06:50,451 --> 01:06:51,081

Nathan: Anyways.

:

01:06:51,101 --> 01:06:52,661

So that was my Saturday night.

:

01:06:53,101 --> 01:06:57,171

And I'll send it back to anyone else

that wants to mention anything else

:

01:06:57,171 --> 01:06:58,571

they saw before we close this up.

:

01:06:58,631 --> 01:07:02,051

Sam: Very briefly I did not get

the chance to see anything this

:

01:07:02,051 --> 01:07:08,071

week, but it was because I drove

from Los Angeles to Arkansas to see

:

01:07:08,071 --> 01:07:10,391

the totality of the solar eclipse.

:

01:07:10,391 --> 01:07:11,441

It was incredible.

:

01:07:11,801 --> 01:07:13,261

It did not disappoint.

:

01:07:13,636 --> 01:07:14,716

The darkness was amazing.

:

01:07:14,946 --> 01:07:20,546

The experience was amazing, but, uh,

five stars to the solar eclipse movie.

:

01:07:22,916 --> 01:07:23,436

Nathan: That's great.

:

01:07:24,256 --> 01:07:26,856

I also did a little bit of traveling.

:

01:07:26,856 --> 01:07:29,166

We went to Stowe, Vermont to see it.

:

01:07:29,776 --> 01:07:34,656

And I woke up at one 30 in the morning

and got my family up shortly after that.

:

01:07:34,656 --> 01:07:40,226

And we got out of the house by

3 AM and we got to Stowe I think

:

01:07:40,236 --> 01:07:41,996

around seven or so in the morning.

:

01:07:42,006 --> 01:07:43,006

Got some breakfast.

:

01:07:43,006 --> 01:07:44,826

Yeah, we got no traffic at all.

:

01:07:45,226 --> 01:07:49,806

No traffic at all, getting to Stowe and

like, Hey, we're golden for the day.

:

01:07:50,146 --> 01:07:51,216

Got some breakfast.

:

01:07:51,216 --> 01:07:55,656

We hung around, did some shopping,

kids having a great time and you

:

01:07:55,656 --> 01:07:58,686

know, we're a little deprived because

I only got about maybe like three

:

01:07:58,686 --> 01:07:59,826

and a half hours at night or so.

:

01:07:59,836 --> 01:08:00,246

Well, Hey,

:

01:08:00,246 --> 01:08:02,316

Bee: we learned from Al

Pacino that the sun will do.

:

01:08:02,326 --> 01:08:02,726

Yeah.

:

01:08:02,766 --> 01:08:03,026

Nathan: Believe me.

:

01:08:03,236 --> 01:08:07,616

I felt insomnia from while

viewing insomnia and.

:

01:08:07,901 --> 01:08:12,601

And then we were in downtown Stowe,

and then I talked to a couple people

:

01:08:12,601 --> 01:08:16,551

that were also in the area, it started

getting really busy, and somebody told

:

01:08:16,551 --> 01:08:21,171

me you should go to Lake Elmore to

see the eclipse, and that's, it's a

:

01:08:21,171 --> 01:08:26,231

lake that's about 10 miles outside of

downtown, and that's where we went.

:

01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,321

Saw it, it was great because we got to

park and like be right near where our

:

01:08:31,321 --> 01:08:32,911

car was in case we needed anything.

:

01:08:33,181 --> 01:08:37,291

I took, I brought out my DSLR and

I got to take some pictures of it.

:

01:08:37,661 --> 01:08:39,111

And it was, it was a nice location.

:

01:08:39,201 --> 01:08:39,850

Right on the lake.

:

01:08:39,850 --> 01:08:41,231

It was a beautiful location.

:

01:08:41,741 --> 01:08:43,861

Saw the eclipse, which was mind blowing.

:

01:08:44,941 --> 01:08:45,911

I don't need to tell anybody.

:

01:08:46,031 --> 01:08:46,651

It was cool.

:

01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:54,810

Seeing it in totality and then We actually

stayed until it was fully over until

:

01:08:54,810 --> 01:08:59,091

like five o'clock or 515, got in the car.

:

01:08:59,191 --> 01:09:02,270

Everyone else left long before

it was over, but we wanted to

:

01:09:02,270 --> 01:09:06,220

see until the last, till the very

end, till the sun was fully back.

:

01:09:06,621 --> 01:09:08,451

Cause when else are we going

to have this chance again?

:

01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:14,131

Got out of the Stowe area,

started heading back and.

:

01:09:15,006 --> 01:09:19,566

Decided that, well, since there's really

not much, not a ton of traffic, we'll

:

01:09:19,566 --> 01:09:22,086

stop and get something to eat for the kids

because they're going to want something.

:

01:09:22,336 --> 01:09:26,676

Stopped at a diner and we were there

for almost two hours and it was

:

01:09:26,676 --> 01:09:30,666

like, that's, this is like way too

long, but got in the car around nine

:

01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:33,986

o'clock at night, checked my GPS.

:

01:09:34,026 --> 01:09:34,296

All right.

:

01:09:34,306 --> 01:09:38,316

Still says we'll be home around 12

o'clock,:

:

01:09:39,265 --> 01:09:41,015

Immediately got stuck.

:

01:09:41,211 --> 01:09:46,281

And gridlocked traffic in the back

roads of Vermont or like, actually

:

01:09:46,281 --> 01:09:47,301

it was New Hampshire at that point.

:

01:09:47,701 --> 01:09:54,060

we were in traffic, in gridlocked

traffic from nine o'clock until two

:

01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:55,631

in the morning or something like that.

:

01:09:55,741 --> 01:09:56,641

Jeez.

:

01:09:56,711 --> 01:09:57,071

Yep.

:

01:09:57,201 --> 01:09:58,891

Didn't get home until 6am.

:

01:09:59,361 --> 01:09:59,521

Oh

:

01:09:59,521 --> 01:09:59,931

Sam: boy.

:

01:10:00,271 --> 01:10:00,501

Yeah.

:

01:10:00,571 --> 01:10:00,891

That's crazy.

:

01:10:00,941 --> 01:10:02,671

That would send me over the falls.

:

01:10:02,821 --> 01:10:04,631

Traffic is like my pet peeve, yeah.

:

01:10:04,681 --> 01:10:06,471

Nathan: And there was no escape.

:

01:10:06,971 --> 01:10:07,761

No escape from there.

:

01:10:07,781 --> 01:10:08,681

Nowhere to go.

:

01:10:09,171 --> 01:10:13,571

And It was, I felt like I was

in straight jacket of traffic.

:

01:10:13,571 --> 01:10:18,201

it was the most miserable experience, but

you know, people ask me, was it worth it?

:

01:10:18,201 --> 01:10:21,561

Yes, it was totally worth it still,

but it was a tough ride home.

:

01:10:21,571 --> 01:10:22,881

I didn't go to work on Tuesday.

:

01:10:22,881 --> 01:10:25,841

I will.

:

01:10:25,841 --> 01:10:28,301

I went, I got the kids went to

school though, cause they slept

:

01:10:28,301 --> 01:10:30,851

in the car, but I got home.

:

01:10:30,986 --> 01:10:34,496

And got them on the bus and

went back to bed and woke up

:

01:10:34,496 --> 01:10:35,546

at like three in the afternoon.

:

01:10:36,776 --> 01:10:37,836

Sam: I totally hear that.

:

01:10:37,836 --> 01:10:42,646

I'll do a very, very brief shameless

plug, but I did a video on the

:

01:10:42,656 --> 01:10:44,146

eclipse, interviewed some people.

:

01:10:44,146 --> 01:10:46,376

It's my YouTube channel walks of world.

:

01:10:46,756 --> 01:10:51,066

It will not be coming out for another

week probably, but maybe I'll post a link.

:

01:10:51,486 --> 01:10:54,456

On like back to the framerate page or

something like that, but interviews

:

01:10:54,456 --> 01:10:56,106

and just I met some characters.

:

01:10:56,106 --> 01:10:57,976

So it was definitely

an adventure for sure.

:

01:10:58,506 --> 01:10:59,126

Nathan: That's great.

:

01:11:01,066 --> 01:11:05,336

Bee: I just stayed home to see the

eclipse, but it was pretty amazing.

:

01:11:05,646 --> 01:11:08,866

And then I saw a bunch of movies

this week, which was also super fun.

:

01:11:09,466 --> 01:11:11,856

I went to go see the new

Omen and I recommend it.

:

01:11:12,291 --> 01:11:15,501

Oh, I thought it was pretty strong.

:

01:11:15,641 --> 01:11:15,981

Yeah,

:

01:11:16,261 --> 01:11:16,461

that's

:

01:11:16,471 --> 01:11:16,791

Nathan: It's

:

01:11:16,801 --> 01:11:18,511

Bee: taken big swings.

:

01:11:18,521 --> 01:11:20,601

So be ready for some big swings.

:

01:11:20,601 --> 01:11:24,101

I have a feeling this is going to be

a little bit of a divisive one, but I

:

01:11:24,111 --> 01:11:28,811

think it not only earns its place as

a legacy prequel, I guess, or sequel,

:

01:11:28,851 --> 01:11:30,531

but it can also stand on its own.

:

01:11:30,966 --> 01:11:32,776

Nathan: So better than Exorcist Believer

:

01:11:33,756 --> 01:11:36,606

Bee: a little bit, a little

bit better than that.

:

01:11:39,296 --> 01:11:39,526

Yeah.

:

01:11:39,526 --> 01:11:43,366

and the original omen is not in

my personal canon of like the

:

01:11:43,366 --> 01:11:45,316

horror movies that you need to see.

:

01:11:45,426 --> 01:11:46,046

It's good.

:

01:11:46,066 --> 01:11:48,396

I think other ones around

the same time do it better.

:

01:11:48,396 --> 01:11:51,826

So I thought this was exciting

with how adventurous it was.

:

01:11:51,836 --> 01:11:54,736

So if you're, it's a good week

at the movies, go see monkey

:

01:11:54,736 --> 01:11:56,556

man, go see for the first time.

:

01:11:57,331 --> 01:11:57,581

Nathan: Yeah.

:

01:11:59,191 --> 01:11:59,551

All right.

:

01:12:00,101 --> 01:12:03,401

And this upcoming weekend

civil war comes out, I believe.

:

01:12:03,541 --> 01:12:04,101

Yeah, that's right.

:

01:12:05,871 --> 01:12:06,401

Scariest.

:

01:12:06,401 --> 01:12:06,621

But the

:

01:12:06,621 --> 01:12:08,931

Bee: new couple of weeks,

Guy Ritchie, right?

:

01:12:09,441 --> 01:12:10,281

New Guy Ritchie too.

:

01:12:11,021 --> 01:12:12,361

Nathan: We have the new

Guy Ritchie is coming out.

:

01:12:13,771 --> 01:12:14,281

Bee: I really want

:

01:12:14,281 --> 01:12:15,111

Sam: to see civil war.

:

01:12:15,111 --> 01:12:16,961

It just makes me nervous

because I don't want.

:

01:12:17,101 --> 01:12:18,741

A fight to break out in the theater.

:

01:12:18,741 --> 01:12:22,771

Like it's so close to like, I'm like,

Oh man, this movie could be great,

:

01:12:22,771 --> 01:12:24,001

but I'm a little bit afraid of it.

:

01:12:24,031 --> 01:12:24,571

I'll be honest.

:

01:12:24,571 --> 01:12:26,201

I'm actually afraid of the movie.

:

01:12:27,681 --> 01:12:28,421

Nathan: We'll see how it goes.

:

01:12:29,751 --> 01:12:30,271

All right.

:

01:12:30,331 --> 01:12:32,231

I asked, you know, I know

we got to get out of here.

:

01:12:32,231 --> 01:12:37,061

I saw some news this last week that

a new matrix movie was announced.

:

01:12:37,071 --> 01:12:37,461

Did you guys

:

01:12:38,041 --> 01:12:38,801

Sam: heard about that?

:

01:12:38,801 --> 01:12:42,851

And I'm just like I'll obviously see

it, but I must admit the fourth film

:

01:12:43,301 --> 01:12:44,801

I can't even remember the title.

:

01:12:44,871 --> 01:12:46,668

Mate, what was the re resurrections

Resurrections, I thought

:

01:12:46,673 --> 01:12:49,281

resurrection was genuinely not good.

:

01:12:49,286 --> 01:12:50,751

Like I did not like it at all.

:

01:12:50,751 --> 01:12:53,031

I thought it was missing

the whole matrix vibe.

:

01:12:53,036 --> 01:12:56,341

Like I saw it twice to confirm my opinion.

:

01:12:56,341 --> 01:12:57,601

I just did not enjoy it.

:

01:12:57,601 --> 01:13:01,231

So, I mean, I'll see the fifth one,

I'm always gonna go see it, but I'm

:

01:13:01,231 --> 01:13:04,091

just, I'm not like ecstatic, you know?

:

01:13:04,271 --> 01:13:06,161

Nathan: Well, I hope that.

:

01:13:06,426 --> 01:13:08,736

It goes in a different direction.

:

01:13:08,746 --> 01:13:13,486

Like it's, I know we're, you know, we

all like Keanu Reeves and Karrion Moss

:

01:13:13,486 --> 01:13:18,366

and the old guard, but I'm worried if

they're just going to continue that.

:

01:13:18,736 --> 01:13:23,526

I'd like to see them explore

a whole nother corner of this.

:

01:13:23,726 --> 01:13:26,196

Sam: I would love to see them

explore like a whole nother corner.

:

01:13:26,226 --> 01:13:29,016

And if there was something in

the story where there was like.

:

01:13:29,556 --> 01:13:34,386

An opportunity for the new characters to

actually defeat the machines for good.

:

01:13:34,386 --> 01:13:39,716

Like, even if they don't succeed, the

matrix, you know, the algorithms swallow

:

01:13:39,716 --> 01:13:41,286

up the hope through all the movies.

:

01:13:41,286 --> 01:13:45,416

I actually want to see them take on

the machines in the machine city.

:

01:13:45,636 --> 01:13:48,486

The reason I like the third film is

because I thought machine city was

:

01:13:48,486 --> 01:13:50,336

such a visually terrifying place.

:

01:13:50,656 --> 01:13:54,246

I want to go back to machine

city in the real world and like,

:

01:13:54,246 --> 01:13:55,766

have a fight in the real world.

:

01:13:55,766 --> 01:13:57,386

Like I would love to see that movie.

:

01:13:58,881 --> 01:13:59,641

Nathan: I wonder if they'll ever,

:

01:13:59,641 --> 01:14:00,701

Sam: I

:

01:14:00,701 --> 01:14:04,871

Nathan: wonder if they'll ever go

back to like a real prequel, you know?

:

01:14:04,961 --> 01:14:06,101

Sam: That would be interesting.

:

01:14:06,201 --> 01:14:06,651

Yeah.

:

01:14:07,211 --> 01:14:07,611

Nathan: I don't know.

:

01:14:07,681 --> 01:14:09,003

But be careful what you ask for.

:

01:14:09,003 --> 01:14:09,411

I feel like I

:

01:14:09,421 --> 01:14:14,101

Bee: don't, I don't need, I say this as

someone who just defended the first Omen.

:

01:14:14,501 --> 01:14:16,331

I don't need backstory.

:

01:14:16,481 --> 01:14:19,691

I feel like Hollywood just really wants

to explain everything, but I really

:

01:14:19,691 --> 01:14:23,811

liked the fourth matrix, but Sam, same as

you feel like I get why people don't, I

:

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don't feel like attached to defending it.

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I don't know.

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But I really enjoyed it.

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I'm excited for a fifth.

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I think they sort of like,

I like their vision for it.

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I'm just on board for whatever wants,

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Nathan: is set as a producer,

but not direct to direct this.

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But he, we got the director is who

it was Drew Goddard, who I don't

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think it's ever written a bad movie.

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Yeah.

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So I'm excited about his involvement

in this, so, I'm excited.

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Sam: I will definitely, no matter what.

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I will see it like if there's

a fifth matrix movie out there,

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no way am I going to miss it.

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Like I'm always interested.

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Nathan: Yeah.

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I'm just looking forward to seeing it.

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in the theater.

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Cause I didn't get to

see it in the theater.

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It was like, I just got to see it on

my TV because it was during COVID.

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That's right.

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Trailer: Yeah.

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Nathan: Yeah.

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It was one of those HBO

day and date movies.

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all the Warner brothers movies

just went straight to HBO.

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I have

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Bee: never been able to see a

Matrix movie in the theater,

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so I would love to see one.

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Sam: Yeah, I hear that.

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All right.

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I've seen them all.

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Yay, Sam.

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Haha.

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Sorry.

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Nathan: So next week we are going to wrap

up our Christopher Nolan Nostalgia Month.

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I feel like we were just

the beginning of April.

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But yes, We are going to wrap it

up with the prestige from:

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Yes, we are jumping over Batman begins.

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That's okay.

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Because that's fine.

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We'd have to like do the

entire Batman franchise.

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And I just don't have that in me.

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No, I don't have it.

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That's a whole nother

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01:15:53,546 --> 01:15:56,786

Sam: if we did the entire Batman

franchise, we'd have to listen to Michael

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01:15:56,786 --> 01:16:00,681

Kighton talking about Batman Burnin down

the forest in Burma to find a killer.

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01:16:01,731 --> 01:16:02,731

Bee: Genuinely a pretty

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01:16:02,731 --> 01:16:03,291

good Michael Caine.

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Nathan: Not bad.

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Not bad.

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01:16:05,641 --> 01:16:07,761

So looking forward to that.

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01:16:07,761 --> 01:16:11,491

Prestige, I can already tell you

is one of my favorite Nolan films.

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01:16:11,721 --> 01:16:12,051

Yes.

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So I'm really looking forward to that.

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I already, actually I revisited

it about two years ago.

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01:16:16,871 --> 01:16:20,431

So it's pretty fresh

in my, I think it's a.

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01:16:21,136 --> 01:16:21,446

Very good.

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01:16:21,446 --> 01:16:21,776

One of his

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01:16:21,776 --> 01:16:22,376

best

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01:16:23,166 --> 01:16:23,736

Sam: quick comment.

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01:16:23,736 --> 01:16:26,296

there was another magician movie

that came out that September.

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01:16:26,296 --> 01:16:27,226

That was with Paul

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01:16:27,236 --> 01:16:28,046

Nathan: G money, right?

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01:16:28,106 --> 01:16:30,686

Sam: And I saw both of them and I can't

remember the name of the other one, but

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01:16:30,706 --> 01:16:33,426

it doesn't matter now, but I just remember

they came out close to each other.

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01:16:34,041 --> 01:16:36,141

Nathan: Yeah I'm blanking

on it to the illusionist.

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That's it.

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01:16:37,391 --> 01:16:38,641

Sam: The illusionist.

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Nathan: Yeah, yeah,

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01:16:39,971 --> 01:16:40,241

Bee: Yeah.

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01:16:40,241 --> 01:16:44,511

Those two were just kind of like,

like sibling movies, twin movies.

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Trailer: Yeah.

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01:16:47,971 --> 01:16:48,121

Bee: All

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Nathan: right.

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Rock and roll.

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We're out.

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Ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Well, that is our show this week.

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Back to the Frame Rate is part of

the Westin Media Podcast Network.

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We also wish to thank Brian

Ellsworth for our show opening.

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On behalf of all of us, we bid you

farewell from our fallout shelter.

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back to the frame rate signing off.

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Brian: I want you to know it's over.

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Trailer: Well,

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Brian: Bye.

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Back to the Frame Rate
Preserving Our Civilization One MOVIE At A Time
Back to the Frame Rate is a movie discussion podcast where filmmakers, actors, and passionate wannabes come together to celebrate the art of cinema. From beloved popcorn flicks of the '80s, '90s and today, to timeless classics and arthouse gems we cover it all. But we’re not just here to talk movies — we’re here to save them!

In a world facing imminent asteroid-induced doom (think Armageddon without the happy ending), we’ve built a fallout shelter for the greatest films of all time. With only enough space for a carefully curated vault of 35mm and 70mm reels, the stakes couldn’t be higher. We comb through the likes of AFI’s 100, Sight & Sound’s Greats, and IMDB’s Top 250 to decide which films are worthy of saving — and which will be purged forever.

Join hosts Nathan Suher, Sam Coale, and Briana (Bee) Butterworth as they passionately debate cinema’s survival, ensuring the future of storytelling one reel at a time. Sadly, the space is tight, just enough for us and our cherished 35mm and 70mm film reels. To friends, family, and old acquaintances left in the cinematic dust, our apologies. But fret not, for we vow to emerge when Earth is safe for repopulation. We've preserved the very soul of civilization, ensuring a future where storytelling thrives. Back to the Frame Rate, saving the world one reel at a time!
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